Deep Purple Space Truckin' tone

[JakeAC5253]

Is that a fuzz pedal, or just a cranked to hell amplifier?

Sounds like it could be a little of both

 

[skoora]

Ritchie and Jon Lords tone's combine so much it's almost impossible to tell. When I was in bandsin the 90's and 2000's I always wished I could find someone with a B3 but it's just too much a thing of the past. Try and haul one around now

 

[70strathead]

no fuzz or treble booster in that period. Stock Strat through a Cranked Marshall Major 200w in a hotel corridor in switzerland. Together with Lord and the Hammond, those riffs sound like a big fat masatodon. try learning that solo and pictures of home note for note with a clean setting and you'll realize how advanced and superior Ritchie was. no one could touch him in that time IMO. totally bad ass.

 

[JTyson]

Ah, I thought he was using a treble booster into a Major on that, but I know far less about his tone than Ant does

Hey Ant, not to derail the thread, but what are (were ?) you guys using to get Lords Hammond sounds in the DP stuff you guys were doing??
I know the obvious answer is a Hammond, but I was wondering if there was a decent emulation of it running around somewhere that you had used. Ive heard several that are ho-hum, but no banana I've looked at the Hammonds, but they are way outside my price range.
Somthing that I can midi-up to a controller?? I also wondered about running some of the available emulations through a tube amp to further enhance the gained-up tones, ever mess with anything like that?? The opening Hammond on "Perfect Strangers" is absolutely what I'm after. I could really use that sound on a song we are working on, but only if its close ...
thanks

 

[D-Rock]

Yeah Marshall and an organ. I think the organ was played out of a Marshall stack too...

 

[gtrwun]

DNot forget Blackmore always plugged into an akai reel to reel deck as a preamp. Read that many times. Said the tone was too thin and piercing without it!

 

[70strathead]

Ah, I thought he was using a treble booster into a Major on that, but I know far less about his tone than Ant does

Hey Ant, not to derail the thread, but what are (were ?) you guys using to get Lords Hammond sounds in the DP stuff you guys were doing??
I know the obvious answer is a Hammond, but I was wondering if there was a decent emulation of it running around somewhere that you had used. Ive heard several that are ho-hum, but no banana I've looked at the Hammonds, but they are way outside my price range.
Somthing that I can midi-up to a controller?? I also wondered about running some of the available emulations through a tube amp to further enhance the gained-up tones, ever mess with anything like that?? The opening Hammond on "Perfect Strangers" is absolutely what I'm after. I could really use that sound on a song we are working on, but only if its close ...
thanks

Hey Buddy. He did use a treble booster live and then switched to the Aiwa tape echo with a pre-amp boost during the later Purple into Rainbow period. My original keyboardist had the real Hammond and he played through Marshall Super Bass, it was really fat/organic but way to loud for small/medium venues and a bit troublesome at times.. The later Keyboardist has what Lord was using in the later years, which was Yamaha C-3 with the Hammond simulation/leslie as well as the moog synth stuff from the MK III period...still sounded really good! I can find out more info, unfortunately i'm not gigging with that project too much anymore, so i dont know alot about the latest stuff out. check out the roland midi products, they have some really neat stuff that sounds amazing for good price.

 

[JTyson]

Ah, I thought he was using a treble booster into a Major on that, but I know far less about his tone than Ant does

Hey Ant, not to derail the thread, but what are (were ?) you guys using to get Lords Hammond sounds in the DP stuff you guys were doing??
I know the obvious answer is a Hammond, but I was wondering if there was a decent emulation of it running around somewhere that you had used. Ive heard several that are ho-hum, but no banana I've looked at the Hammonds, but they are way outside my price range.
Somthing that I can midi-up to a controller?? I also wondered about running some of the available emulations through a tube amp to further enhance the gained-up tones, ever mess with anything like that?? The opening Hammond on "Perfect Strangers" is absolutely what I'm after. I could really use that sound on a song we are working on, but only if its close ...
thanks

Hey Buddy. He did use a treble booster live and then switched to the Aiwa tape echo with a pre-amp boost during the later Purple into Rainbow period. My original keyboardist had the real Hammond and he played through Marshall Super Bass, it was really fat/organic but way to loud for small/medium venues and a bit troublesome at times.. The later Keyboardist has what Lord was using in the later years, which was Yamaha C-3 with the Hammond simulation/leslie as well as the moog synth stuff from the MK III period...still sounded really good! I can find out more info, unfortunately i'm not gigging with that project too much anymore, so i dont know alot about the latest stuff out. check out the roland midi products, they have some really neat stuff that sounds amazing for good price.

Thanks man, I'll take a look at those I guess it would not be a good idea to run it into a old Marshall, I have an SWR bass amp that has a tube front end, I might give that a shot

 

[JakeAC5253]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

 

[JTyson]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

They were 200 watt, non-master volume heads, sometimes called "pigs". Similar in design to plexi's, but way more under the hood as far as horsepower went, and no presence control. I think they had 8 (!!) KT88's in them. They came out in early 1967, had only bass, treble and volume with no standby switch and active tone controls. According to the Marshall history book, they were the only Marshalls to use Partridge trannys for both the mains and the output. Some of Blackmore's Major's were modded by the Marshall factory with cascading preamps. They were discontinued in 1974

 

[supersonic]

Is that a fuzz pedal, or just a cranked to hell amplifier?

Sounds like it could be a little of both

Hamond organ> Marshall head (cranked)> leslie speaker + Richie Blackmore (sc Strat into a PLexi) = Deep Purple tone

 

[70strathead]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

http://www.ampgas.com/2010/05/27/200-wa ... ll-majors/

here's ritchie's major and some info on the design..

 

[JTyson]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

http://www.ampgas.com/2010/05/27/200-wa ... ll-majors/

here's ritchie's major and some info on the design..

Thats a great article, with some great history, so there are only 4 KT88's in there! At 600+volts no less I guess the pic I have is specifically a "pig" then right?

 

[70strathead]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

http://www.ampgas.com/2010/05/27/200-wa ... ll-majors/

here's ritchie's major and some info on the design..

Thats a great article, with some great history, so there are only 4 KT88's in there! At 600+volts no less I guess the pic I have is specifically a "pig" then right?

yep. The "pig" was a nickname that Mick Ronson made up for the original 67' or 68' ( the photo that you had). Blackmore pretty much designed the one after that. As matter of fact, he was an electronics wiz, so he may have been the first rock guitar player to actually start doing Marshall mods and Jim Marshall designed that specfically for Ritchie. the cascading pre-amps and extra preamp tube. At that time, As i understand, those amps couldnt take pedals or else they would blown up transformers, which i think is the reason they have another tranny in there. I had heard ritchie was always tampered with them though, but ultimately he found his sound with the Aiwa tape echo w/ preamp circuit. The Cal Jam show clearly demostrates the added gain in that Major. I had also heard Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck were modding there 100watt plexi's to KT-88's for more headroom. geez, its not like those old plexi's werent loud enough!!

 

[JTyson]

Cool, thanks for the info. What's the scoop on the Marshall Major? Similar to other Marshall designs?

http://www.ampgas.com/2010/05/27/200-wa ... ll-majors/

here's ritchie's major and some info on the design..

Thats a great article, with some great history, so there are only 4 KT88's in there! At 600+volts no less I guess the pic I have is specifically a "pig" then right?

yep. The "pig" was a nickname that Mick Ronson made up for the original 67' or 68' ( the photo that you had). Blackmore pretty much designed the one after that. As matter of fact, he was an electronics wiz, so he may have been the first rock guitar player to actually start doing Marshall mods and Jim Marshall designed that specfically for Ritchie. the cascading pre-amps and extra preamp tube. At that time, As i understand, those amps couldnt take pedals or else they would blown up transformers, which i think is the reason they have another tranny in there. I had heard ritchie was always tampered with them though, but ultimately he found his sound with the Aiwa tape echo w/ preamp circuit. The Cal Jam show clearly demostrates the added gain in that Major. I had also heard Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck were modding there 100watt plexi's to KT-88's for more headroom. geez, its not like those old plexi's werent loud enough!!

Thanks Ant, great stuff