Did anyone just see that Obama speech?

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That honour is either given to George Bush Jnr and Dan Quayle.

Or like, anyone from the South who didn't adopt civil rights.
 
Dan Quayle!! The poster child for "My Political Career Destroyed By The Media Foundation"!!

Dan Quayle in reality, is a very intelligent businessman. He is the CEO of Cerberus Capital Management, a company that purchases large corporations in trouble, turns them around into profit generators, and re-sells them. They are very successful and very large. BTW, they recently bought Chrysler Corp.

I guess old Dan has got the last laugh. I sure wish Dan Quayle or someone like him would run for President. But if you've got enough money to buy Chrysler, why would you want to endure that mess again?
 
Copperhead":2d5c36ee said:
Dan Quayle!! The poster child for "My Political Career Destroyed By The Media Foundation"!!

Dan Quayle in reality, is a very intelligent businessman. He is the CEO of Cerberus Capital Management, a company that purchases large corporations in trouble, turns them around into profit generators, and re-sells them. They are very successful and very large. BTW, they recently bought Chrysler Corp.

I guess old Dan has got the last laugh. I sure wish Dan Quayle or someone like him would run for President. But if you've got enough money to buy Chrysler, why would you want to endure that mess again?
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You realise with capital at your disposal you'd have to be beyond retarded, and completely ignore your financial advisors to LOSE money? Your claiming that moron makes all financial decisions, executive and otherwise? That's he's compeltely responsible for all the companies profits?

Get a life, Obama has balls accepting America's problems and trying to do something about it. Fools like DQ, GW and dozens of other cliched, generic and failed presidents can't compare - that's just how it is.

Your also presuming a good businessman makes a good politician, which I'd disagree with on every level I possibly could register my disagreement on.
 
Didn't your hero Bill Clinton say "It's the economy, stupid??"

:lol: :LOL:

So glad I'm able to push all the right buttons and rent space in your head! Any minute now, you'll be channeling Carl....

...and to quote James Carville: "If Hillary gave Obama one of her cojones, they'd both have a pair......"
 
Copperhead":2z2tlpj8 said:
Didn't your hero Bill Clinton say "It's the economy, stupid??"
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I disagree completely. What a horrible basis for government, how utterly corrupt. How could anyone in their right mind support suhc utter stupidity is beyond my comprehension.

So glad I'm able to push all the right buttons and rent space in your head! Any minute now, you'll be channeling Carl....
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Big man.
...and to quote James Carville: "If Hillary gave Obama one of her cojones, they'd both have a pair......"
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This is relevant how?
 
Copperhead":17j4l2x8 said:
theNoseBleedKid":17j4l2x8 said:
Obama has balls
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Wheres the confusion. If that quote is accurate you'd have to admit, even if you don't like him, it takes a lot of guts to stand up during the presidential election and condem your own anthem.
 
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stratotone":2gr6lddw said:
defpearlpilot":2gr6lddw said:
verderacer":2gr6lddw said:
Do you think the same about Ted Kennedy or Strom Thurmond?
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Were they ever the president?
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Teddy does have the dubious distinction of being the only politician mentioned in this thread who killed a secretary.
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I don't care about party lines. I've heard about this story before. I'm not sure if he was tried for it but I would have no problems putting him away if he was found guilty. Just because I have a liberal mindset doesn't mean that I blindly follow the Democrats.

FYI, If Ron Paul got the Republican nomination, I would have surely voted for him. If he goes independent on the ballot I will probably vote for him. But unless that happens, I can't possibly let McCain continue on in this bullshit illegal war.
 
Seriously, what's needed is less politicians and more businessmen in office. The notion of statesman was to leave your business, serve your fellow citizen by holding office and operating the government for a time, then go back to private life. The whole development of career politician is what breeds corruption. Ultimately, this is the failure of communism. In the USSR, an elite class of career Politburo exists in a system where all are supposed to be equal.

I expect you to completely misrepresent and not understand what I just said. Your socialist mindset and corrupt reasoning will not allow it. That's not an insult, just an observation of how you operate.
That's why you love Obama, he hates America and so do you.
 
Copperhead":1k1z9q9f said:
Dan Quayle!! The poster child for "My Political Career Destroyed By The Media Foundation"!!

Dan Quayle in reality, is a very intelligent businessman. He is the CEO of Cerberus Capital Management, a company that purchases large corporations in trouble, turns them around into profit generators, and re-sells them. They are very successful and very large. BTW, they recently bought Chrysler Corp.

I guess old Dan has got the last laugh. I sure wish Dan Quayle or someone like him would run for President. But if you've got enough money to buy Chrysler, why would you want to endure that mess again?
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I haven't looked much into Dan Quayle's businesses but I know that Bush Jr has brought down every company that he's ever been involved in. And as like others have said, I doubt he really made the decisions that made the company money. I know that the investment bank that I work for has managing directors that decide the strategies and the CEO gets in their faces if they are losing money.
 
Copperhead":pxowsovt said:
Seriously, what's needed is less politicians and more businessmen in office. The notion of statesman was to leave your business, serve your fellow citizen by holding office and operating the government for a time, then go back to private life. The whole development of career politician is what breeds corruption. Ultimately, this is the failure of communism. In the USSR, an elite class of career Politburo exists in a system where all are supposed to be equal.

I expect you to completely misrepresent and not understand what I just said. Your socialist mindset and corrupt reasoning will not allow it. That's not an insult, just an observation of how you operate.
That's why you love Obama, he hates America and so do you.
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I don't know if you are referring to me but in general I happen to agree that running the government should be like running a business. The key differences is that running a business means running it purely for profit. And I don't think that this is the purpose of government.

However, I know that from working with the government, that many are inept and lack ambition. There are equally as many in the private sector that are inept. The key difference is that in the private sector, people have fear of losing their jobs due to poor performance. There should be either positive or negative incentives that will improve the quality of those that work in the public sector.
 
defpearlpilot":vja4itr6 said:
Copperhead":vja4itr6 said:
Seriously, what's needed is less politicians and more businessmen in office. The notion of statesman was to leave your business, serve your fellow citizen by holding office and operating the government for a time, then go back to private life. The whole development of career politician is what breeds corruption. Ultimately, this is the failure of communism. In the USSR, an elite class of career Politburo exists in a system where all are supposed to be equal.

I expect you to completely misrepresent and not understand what I just said. Your socialist mindset and corrupt reasoning will not allow it. That's not an insult, just an observation of how you operate.
That's why you love Obama, he hates America and so do you.
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I don't know if you are referring to me but in general I happen to agree that running the government should be like running a business. The key differences is that running a business means running it purely for profit. And I don't think that this is the purpose of government.

However, I know that from working with the government, that many are inept and lack ambition. There are equally as many in the private sector that are inept. The key difference is that in the private sector, people have fear of losing their jobs due to poor performance. There should be either positive or negative incentives that will improve the quality of those that work in the public sector.
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Sorry! I was going back and forth with the Aussie!! I shoulda used quotes! :dunno:
 
Copperhead":1y0i0fcw said:
Seriously, what's needed is less politicians and more businessmen in office.
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So you can have more people looking to profit and make a buck, with mindsets set more on profiteering rather than the will of the people and representation of them, and decisions that are best for them.

The notion of statesman was to leave your business, serve your fellow citizen by holding office and operating the government for a time, then go back to private life. The whole development of career politician is what breeds corruption. Ultimately, this is the failure of communism. In the USSR, an elite class of career Politburo exists in a system where all are supposed to be equal.
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This thread has had enough of people who don't understand socialism, Marxism, communism or Leninism in it. Chose one, explain why exactly this is true, because I can cite dozens of professional politicians previous to communism, leninism, marxist AND socialism. Career politicians certianly can be corrupt, I'm saying much more so if they come from a background purely of money, exploitation (which is, lets face it, what most businesses do in some respect) and profit - all of which are way more harmful than good in a position that should NEVER be driven by profit at all.



I expect you to completely misrepresent and not understand what I just said. Your socialist mindset and corrupt reasoning will not allow it. That's not an insult, just an observation of how you operate.
That's why you love Obama, he hates America and so do you.
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How am I socialist exactly? How is my midset corrupt? I would understand what you said a whole lot better if used evidence, examples or logic in your reasoning. You have NO idea how I operate, don't be so condescending (again I do appreciate the irony, keep in mind he claimed politicians exist in SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM, THUS DEMONSTRATING HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT THOSE ACTUALLY ARE).

I don't hate america, I never said I did. Don't put words into my mouth you tool. I don't 'love' Obama either, he's much less of an evil than McCain - that's all, and he's moving in some positive directions, which I respect.

I'm also sick of people claiming critisism is hate, since when was that a truism? Same with Israel, I critise them, I don't hate them. I critisise myself sometimes, I don't hate myself. Stop misreading what I'm saying - because AT NO POINT DID I SAY THAT I HATED AMERICA, OR AMERICANS. Certain practises, absolutely.
 
defpearlpilot":2yh6pcfk said:
I don't know if you are referring to me but in general I happen to agree that running the government should be like running a business. The key differences is that running a business means running it purely for profit. And I don't think that this is the purpose of government.

However, I know that from working with the government, that many are inept and lack ambition. There are equally as many in the private sector that are inept. The key difference is that in the private sector, people have fear of losing their jobs due to poor performance. There should be either positive or negative incentives that will improve the quality of those that work in the public sector.
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I agree with a lot of this. But I'm failing to see how you can say; "government should be run like a business" - than admit the profit motive is a negative thing in government. Businesses and profit are mutually inclusive, you can;t have one without the other.

I'm also trying to see how a private sector employment relationship is relevant to a public sector government. Though I'll happily conceed a lot of government workers dont have a clue.
 
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