Do Guitarists Become Better When They Die?

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Hate to say it, but dime was on his way down when he died. He had already achieved legendary status, but the 90's were over, and so was pantera. His lifestyle was killing him, and he was broke by the time the damageplan CD and tour started. Bloated and red-nosed from alcohol, he said his doctor was bitching at him. He was on his way toward the Jake e Lee life...just my opinion.

The stuff he and Vince wrote for the 2nd damageplan was way better, very pantera-ish. But I think the pantera style thing was over. Bands like lamb of god and such were way more popular by then.
 
It's not just in music but in any art, sports, entertainment, etc... If someone dies early there still is implied growth. If you do not see the peak and decline it almost like future potential is added to legacy even if there wasn't any more growing left. It's wondered what else could they have done or accomplished. I don't know if the same situation exists with transparency we have today. Look at Robin Williams no one will argue he had more to give the world but is there any genius added to legacy after he died. I am not sure time will tell. Anyway that's just my take on it.
 
rottingcorpse":vagfq7th said:
Hate to say it, but dime was on his way down when he died. He had already achieved legendary status, but the 90's were over, and so was pantera. His lifestyle was killing him, and he was broke by the time the damageplan CD and tour started. Bloated and red-nosed from alcohol, he said his doctor was bitching at him. He was on his way toward the Jake e Lee life...just my opinion.

The stuff he and Vince wrote for the 2nd damageplan was way better, very pantera-ish. But I think the pantera style thing was over. Bands like lamb of god and such were way more popular by then.
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Not a chance that a Lamb Of God album would ever sell more than a Pantera album, or be as popular hadn't they broke up...They had a serious following. Not to mention LOG took alot of their style from Pantera, they are a second rate band compared to Pantera.

I agree about Dime's life style killing him though. He'd be having serious health issues if he were still alive. I'm surprised Vinne health and playing music.
 
anomaly":hz2ijcc9 said:
rottingcorpse":hz2ijcc9 said:
Hate to say it, but dime was on his way down when he died. He had already achieved legendary status, but the 90's were over, and so was pantera. His lifestyle was killing him, and he was broke by the time the damageplan CD and tour started. Bloated and red-nosed from alcohol, he said his doctor was bitching at him. He was on his way toward the Jake e Lee life...just my opinion.

The stuff he and Vince wrote for the 2nd damageplan was way better, very pantera-ish. But I think the pantera style thing was over. Bands like lamb of god and such were way more popular by then.
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Not a chance that a Lamb Of God album would ever sell more than a Pantera album, or be as popular hadn't they broke up...They had a serious following. Not to mention LOG took alot of their style from Pantera, they are a second rate band compared to Pantera.

I agree about Dime's life style killing him though. He'd be having serious health issues if he were still alive. I'm surprised Vinne health and playing music.
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Totally agree here, Fuck Lamb Of God....they weren't even a pimple on Pantera's ass.....thought singer was an asshole on TMS. Also agree about Dime's health.... but I think as much as he loved to play.....I think he would have made adjustments to his lifestyle if it would have started to negatively effect his playing too much. Stick to the herb, drink in heavy moderation lol.
 
Guitar playing and virtuosity has really plateaued. There are bad ass players all over YouTube doing some incredible stuff but noting really new. Hendrix, Paige, EVH, Rhodes, Yngwie, Satch, and Vai are all innovators IMO....no one is really doing anything much different. We've just lived during a time of uber creativity and talent. Can't imagine "death" making anyone else a legend after these guys.
 
how hard is it to spell randy rhoads .... seriously :doh: :doh: :doh:

but the answer is yes...its like anything that is taken away, it seems better. Its like when they make a certain kind of lolly when you were a kid and then they stop making it but then bring it back 20yrs later and you think "meh they changed it because it tasted way better when I was 10"..I bet it taste exactly the same but to a 10yr old it was the bees knees
 
anomaly":3ltm8vbo said:
ghosty999":3ltm8vbo said:
I agree Malmsteen 1995 onwards is pretty terrible in comparison to his classic stuff. I agree if he'd died after Odyssey he'd of been hailed much higher in regards of a guitar god than he is now.

Dimebag... I don't get it and never will, fizzy tone, playing pentatonics fast, playing pretty generic metal riffs. Just not my thing musically but respect to him and his fans.

I remember reading Rhandy was not enjoying the rock'n'roll lifestyle and wanting to leave Ozzy and I agree he has the most mystique as he appeared out of nowhere, nailed the riffs and solos, then sadly died. But there where plenty of other guitarists doing what Dime/Rhandy did that aren't dead, but we neglect them for their existence
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There is absolutely nothing generic about Dimebag's riff's or playing. He was an original in all aspects... one or two notes and I can identify his playing. So obviously you've never listened to a Pantera album. Plus, the guy was considered one of the best in Metal before he died.
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I have listened to Pantera albums and they do nothing for me, sounds like a rich mans EXHORDER, who had been playing the power groove stuff before Pantera did, so to me it wasn't original, plus all he was doing was playing southern riffs with distortion, not exactly original. Shredding pentatonics had also been done before and wiggling divebombs.

Unpopular opinion I know, I know I "have" to respect Pantera...but I just don't, musically they do nothing for me
 
You guys didn't understand my post. Pantera was OVER. Damageplan was way less popular than l.o.g or any of the other bands that were gaining popularity. Whether you want to admit it or not, dimes heyday was behind him.

I am a huge fan of Darrell's since we met in high school. I watched his style happen from the 1st album on. But he would never have had success like pantera after the breakup, and if you think the damageplan YOU have heard is as good as what he had already put out there, you are mistaken.

I am not saying he doesn't deserve legend status. But he wasn't going to be the draw he was. His death elevated him from "king dime" to god. People wouldn't travel across the globe to see him play the Dallas new years eve show....but they will to pay homage at his gravesite.
 
rottingcorpse":2syqq8s3 said:
Hate to say it, but dime was on his way down when he died. He had already achieved legendary status, but the 90's were over, and so was pantera. His lifestyle was killing him, and he was broke by the time the damageplan CD and tour started. Bloated and red-nosed from alcohol, he said his doctor was bitching at him. He was on his way toward the Jake e Lee life...just my opinion.
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+1
If a warped asshole with a gun didn't get him, his lifestyle was gonna.
 
Agree on the lifestyle would have killed him points.. you see some of those interviews where he is jamming with the krank guys and wtf is going on there? So much booze, his liver would prob have been toast within 5 years.

As for the riffs, I would say they were a BETTER Exhorder. Dime did shred the same lead licks like many others do but on the earlier stuff, it sounded like he crafted a lot of those solos rather than just jerking off all over the fretboard. Those squealies and legato leads are awesome. I mean cemetery gates? Come on, killer. All of Vulgar as well. Southern Trendkill was god aweful though.. that's where the booze and "get your pull!" takes over and the songwriting starts to fade.
 
Oh and one more thing, how awesome was Ozzy's set design for the Blizzard and Diary tours??!!
Randy looks freakin awesome in those live pics with those big steps in the background, Aldridge on the top between those two medieval looking pillers. A single spot light shining down on him... The whole thing just screamed kick ass and rip your face off. There has never been a cooler set in my opinion. My second fave would have been Maiden on the Powerslave tour.
 
anomaly":23h45xlx said:
ghosty999":23h45xlx said:
I agree Malmsteen 1995 onwards is pretty terrible in comparison to his classic stuff. I agree if he'd died after Odyssey he'd of been hailed much higher in regards of a guitar god than he is now.

Dimebag... I don't get it and never will, fizzy tone, playing pentatonics fast, playing pretty generic metal riffs. Just not my thing musically but respect to him and his fans.

I remember reading Rhandy was not enjoying the rock'n'roll lifestyle and wanting to leave Ozzy and I agree he has the most mystique as he appeared out of nowhere, nailed the riffs and solos, then sadly died. But there where plenty of other guitarists doing what Dime/Rhandy did that aren't dead, but we neglect them for their existence
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There is absolutely nothing generic about Dimebag's riff's or playing. He was an original in all aspects... one or two notes and I can identify his playing. So obviously you've never listened to a Pantera album. Plus, the guy was considered one of the best in Metal before he died.
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This. If it sounds generic to you, it's probably because it's been imitated many, many, many times.
 
Either you die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become a villain.
 
a better question is if re-incarnation is real, do you take those skills into the next life/body? If so, is it good to keep advancing at all age levels.
 
jsp":2rmc1ch6 said:
anomaly":2rmc1ch6 said:
ghosty999":2rmc1ch6 said:
I agree Malmsteen 1995 onwards is pretty terrible in comparison to his classic stuff. I agree if he'd died after Odyssey he'd of been hailed much higher in regards of a guitar god than he is now.

Dimebag... I don't get it and never will, fizzy tone, playing pentatonics fast, playing pretty generic metal riffs. Just not my thing musically but respect to him and his fans.

I remember reading Rhandy was not enjoying the rock'n'roll lifestyle and wanting to leave Ozzy and I agree he has the most mystique as he appeared out of nowhere, nailed the riffs and solos, then sadly died. But there where plenty of other guitarists doing what Dime/Rhandy did that aren't dead, but we neglect them for their existence
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There is absolutely nothing generic about Dimebag's riff's or playing. He was an original in all aspects... one or two notes and I can identify his playing. So obviously you've never listened to a Pantera album. Plus, the guy was considered one of the best in Metal before he died.
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This. If it sounds generic to you, it's probably because it's been imitated many, many, many times.
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Take any minor country style riff from the past 100 years... play it with distortion... Pantera.

Sorry it's not original to just add distortion to southern/country guitar and call it "revolutionary"
 
ghosty999":2vuo4lpp said:
2:25 from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqU1rrQFr0o
was then nicked by Pantera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99i9Buxt9Lg

or take any song from this album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pF8S_ssMmI

or listen to late 80s groovy thrash like Exodus

or take any country/southern riff from the past 100 years, add a few tri-tones

or take the wiggly whammy work of ANY 80s guitarist

slap a beard on it and bam Pantera, I don't get why Dimebag is so invulnerable from criticism
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BECAUSE SOME REVERE HIM AS GOD!!! I don't get it and love Pantera and saw them a few times. I did not go see them to watch Dimebag as a guitar player!! I went because their music crushed skulls!!! :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
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