Does Mesa Boogie hate the fact that they ever made the IIC+?

[vultures]

This thread right now

 

[glip22]

Mesa has probably presold more of these to dealers than any amp in the past. It's just marketing.

 

[Chris6870]

You two really should take your spat to PM's. Nobody really gives a shit about it and your fucking up the thread, a whole page of your bickering, really?

 

[tfridgen]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

 

[psychodave]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

What 2C+ do you own? Details? Pics? Please put an end to the argument

 

[shredi knight]

Posted on The Boogie Board by Doug West:



Dear MARK II-C+ Owners and prospective JP-2C Owners,

It’s come to my attention that a phrase I wrote in the Owner’s Manual for the new JP-2C has offended some of our valued and loyal customer’s. I can’t tell you the stress, sadness, embarrassment and regret I feel for possibly alienating and accidentally offending those who have supported our company and our products for so many years. I want to apologize and humbly beg forgiveness for this offense and assure anyone that took offense at my words that it was meant not as an insult, but rather as a tongue in cheek humorous way of saying that the JP-2C really is that good and , in my opinion, better than a MARK II-C+. Not because it sounds better, but because it offers so many more ways to get at and utilize those great sounds.

I also want to assure those that did take offense, that I am firmly planted in the very camp I was identifying… for I am an admitted II-C+ Snob of the highest order, and I should have made that crystal clear in my writing. When faced with the task of creating a manual for such a full featured amplifier that will end up being very long and let’s face it, possibly boring, I have been tempted time and again to include a bit of humor to break up the technical monotony. Perhaps there is no place at all for it, but when the task of creating more thorough manuals for our amplifiers fell in my lap 30 years ago, I vowed to make them more enjoyable and real in terms of how musicians view things and speak than those I had in my stack of gear manuals. (Closer if we end here; So please accept my sincere apology… anyone who did, or may in the future, read that phrase and take offense. It was nothing more than me trying to paint a picture of how good the JP-2C really is.

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Douglas West
R&D, MESA/Boogie, LTD.



http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.ph ... 15#p484829

 

[thiswaythatway]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. I use it with AND without the EQ. My amp slays, and I sound great through it. Probably better than most of those people you speak of.....so, LOL to YOU!

It's not about feeling better about myself. It's about you pretending to know what you're talking about. I've personally owned and/or played nearly every single type of IIC+ made (all if you exclude exports from the mix) and there's a huge difference between your amp and what most people are talking about when they say a IIC+. Have you even played a simulclass model or one with a built in graphic? I'm guessing you haven't.

But go on, tell us how the 60w slays without an eq.

I had a Non-simul class 60 watter with EQ and it sounded as good as any loaded IIC+ I put it against. The loaded models were a little brighter, that was the only difference me and others heard.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Not all IIC+'s sound the same guys. Here's a LOADED IIC+ with the Hetfield mod which was a pull on the mid. I found it a couple of years ago in guitar center for $999. It was that cheap because they thought it was a Mark III. Guess what? It didn't sound that great. I sold it to a guy who had a IIC that he sent to Mesa for a IIC+ upgrade and he claimed that his upgraded IIC smoked the IIC+ I sold him. He in turn, sold that IIC+ as well. I never played it as a combo, always used another cabinet.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Posted on The Boogie Board by Doug West:



Dear MARK II-C+ Owners and prospective JP-2C Owners,

It’s come to my attention that a phrase I wrote in the Owner’s Manual for the new JP-2C has offended some of our valued and loyal customer’s. I can’t tell you the stress, sadness, embarrassment and regret I feel for possibly alienating and accidentally offending those who have supported our company and our products for so many years. I want to apologize and humbly beg forgiveness for this offense and assure anyone that took offense at my words that it was meant not as an insult, but rather as a tongue in cheek humorous way of saying that the JP-2C really is that good and , in my opinion, better than a MARK II-C+. Not because it sounds better, but because it offers so many more ways to get at and utilize those great sounds.

I also want to assure those that did take offense, that I am firmly planted in the very camp I was identifying… for I am an admitted II-C+ Snob of the highest order, and I should have made that crystal clear in my writing. When faced with the task of creating a manual for such a full featured amplifier that will end up being very long and let’s face it, possibly boring, I have been tempted time and again to include a bit of humor to break up the technical monotony. Perhaps there is no place at all for it, but when the task of creating more thorough manuals for our amplifiers fell in my lap 30 years ago, I vowed to make them more enjoyable and real in terms of how musicians view things and speak than those I had in my stack of gear manuals. (Closer if we end here; So please accept my sincere apology… anyone who did, or may in the future, read that phrase and take offense. It was nothing more than me trying to paint a picture of how good the JP-2C really is.

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Douglas West
R&D, MESA/Boogie, LTD.



http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.ph ... 15#p484829

I'm surprised they responded. At least they're listening to their supporters/fans.

Well, good job on Doug's part. I do want to check out the new amp!

 

[vultures]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. I use it with AND without the EQ. My amp slays, and I sound great through it. Probably better than most of those people you speak of.....so, LOL to YOU!

It's not about feeling better about myself. It's about you pretending to know what you're talking about. I've personally owned and/or played nearly every single type of IIC+ made (all if you exclude exports from the mix) and there's a huge difference between your amp and what most people are talking about when they say a IIC+. Have you even played a simulclass model or one with a built in graphic? I'm guessing you haven't.

But go on, tell us how the 60w slays without an eq.

I had a Non-simul class 60 watter with EQ and it sounded as good as any loaded IIC+ I put it against. The loaded models were a little brighter, that was the only difference me and others heard.

We need to get another HOM together again. How many Mark series amps did we have in your basement

 

[midnightlaundry]

This has fallen into the realm of Butthurt already...

'Just thinking out loud here.. Is a 2C really that good? If it was so good wouldn't everyone be playing one? Wouldn't Boogie still be making them instead of MOVING FORWARD with the MIII and MIV-MV?

 

[Soulstealer]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

 

[Soulstealer]

Posted on The Boogie Board by Doug West:



Dear MARK II-C+ Owners and prospective JP-2C Owners,

It’s come to my attention that a phrase I wrote in the Owner’s Manual for the new JP-2C has offended some of our valued and loyal customer’s. I can’t tell you the stress, sadness, embarrassment and regret I feel for possibly alienating and accidentally offending those who have supported our company and our products for so many years. I want to apologize and humbly beg forgiveness for this offense and assure anyone that took offense at my words that it was meant not as an insult, but rather as a tongue in cheek humorous way of saying that the JP-2C really is that good and , in my opinion, better than a MARK II-C+. Not because it sounds better, but because it offers so many more ways to get at and utilize those great sounds.

I also want to assure those that did take offense, that I am firmly planted in the very camp I was identifying… for I am an admitted II-C+ Snob of the highest order, and I should have made that crystal clear in my writing. When faced with the task of creating a manual for such a full featured amplifier that will end up being very long and let’s face it, possibly boring, I have been tempted time and again to include a bit of humor to break up the technical monotony. Perhaps there is no place at all for it, but when the task of creating more thorough manuals for our amplifiers fell in my lap 30 years ago, I vowed to make them more enjoyable and real in terms of how musicians view things and speak than those I had in my stack of gear manuals. (Closer if we end here; So please accept my sincere apology… anyone who did, or may in the future, read that phrase and take offense. It was nothing more than me trying to paint a picture of how good the JP-2C really is.

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Douglas West
R&D, MESA/Boogie, LTD.



http://forum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.ph ... 15#p484829

Very classy on Doug's part. I took it exactly how he intended it, but it was nice for him to clarify for those who didn't take it that way.

 

[Soulstealer]

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself. I use it with AND without the EQ. My amp slays, and I sound great through it. Probably better than most of those people you speak of.....so, LOL to YOU!

It's not about feeling better about myself. It's about you pretending to know what you're talking about. I've personally owned and/or played nearly every single type of IIC+ made (all if you exclude exports from the mix) and there's a huge difference between your amp and what most people are talking about when they say a IIC+. Have you even played a simulclass model or one with a built in graphic? I'm guessing you haven't.

But go on, tell us how the 60w slays without an eq.

I had a Non-simul class 60 watter with EQ and it sounded as good as any loaded IIC+ I put it against. The loaded models were a little brighter, that was the only difference me and others heard.

 

[sjk]

What was his username at TGP

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

 

[Racerxrated]

This has fallen into the realm of Butthurt already...

'Just thinking out loud here.. Is a 2C really that good? If it was so good wouldn't everyone be playing one? Wouldn't Boogie still be making them instead of MOVING FORWARD with the MIII and MIV-MV?

The difference between my 2C+ and the two Mark 3s I had are like comparing a Soldano HR 100 and an SLO. The HR is a nice amp. But the SLO is that much better. IMO.

 

[Soulstealer]

I wanna say Bandersnatch or something like that.

What was his username at TGP

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

 

[sjk]

Ok I think I remember him, I wonder if DeuxSeaPlus is the same guy as well over there?

I wanna say Bandersnatch or something like that.

What was his username at TGP

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

 

[Soulstealer]

I don't think so, that guy IS obssesive but at least somewhat reasonable.

Ok I think I remember him, I wonder if DeuxSeaPlus is the same guy as well over there?

I wanna say Bandersnatch or something like that.

What was his username at TGP

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

 

[sjk]

I don't think so, that guy IS obssesive but at least somewhat reasonable.

Ok I think I remember him, I wonder if DeuxSeaPlus is the same guy as well over there?

I wanna say Bandersnatch or something like that.

What was his username at TGP

But what if the JP-2C actually IS better in every way?

I found the statement pretty funny (I'm the one who quoted it over on TGP), and I'm an original IIC+ owner. To get offended over it is ridiculous. The things that they changed are things that I totally agree will make the amp more usable! I don't put much stock in those Youtube clips so far, either. Petrucci is Petrucci and it sounded fine, the second one is totally not my style, and the third "rock" guy has terrible vibrato and is just kinda meh. Andy Timmons would be more up my alley, but these amps have to be heard and felt in person regardless.

So you're the guy with the 60 watt non-eq IIC+? The guy that prefers the amp without even using an eq in the loop? Let me clarify something for you - when people talk about the IIC+, they're not talking about a stock 60 watter without the graphic.

Oh, hey, Eventide.....and here's your FIRST REPLY to my comment......instantly trying to take a dig at my 60W.......

Hey, Eventide, why do you keep on joining under different usernames to stalk and confront people who are discussing the IIC+? Rather obsessive, no?

Blackmore
MesaGoBloogie
Larks' Tongue
ExilefromTheGearPage
Pink Freud
El Zed

See, there you have it. I apologize for taking the bait again, as I didn't realize who it was initially. I got his ass booted from TGP after a similar exchange that he turned personal.

He is not that reasonable Sent me a pm asking what good info I thought I had to add to the Petrucci C+ thread over there after I had called him out in the thread. And then wanted to argue about it. 2 weeks later he started sending PM's wanting to buy an amp (or acting like he did anyway) I had listed in the classifieds. I ignored his pms as I did not want to have something go bad after he stalked me previously lol!