Engl Invader II - Defies Expectations And Here's Why

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tstern66":aiwic23k said:
Maybe the OP really likes the amp and the technology involved. I love the Fortin Meathead and never played one. haha


Yeah I get it and thats fine...Clips are good and get our interest going. Its what makes us want to buy amps in the first place. Its just funny how o.p. goes into such detail about how great the amp is then because I ask if he played one in person Im a dick.
 
the4thlast1":11tf3vma said:
SavageRiffer":11tf3vma said:
the4thlast1":11tf3vma said:
SavageRiffer":11tf3vma said:
To be quite honest, after seeing all the fancy circuitry of the Invader II, I wished they would have just gone back to the relative simplicity of the Invader 100. The Invader 100 was the elusive amp which I could never seem to keep my hands on, but it's sound is one intimately familiar to me. As fate would have it, I happened to come across a player of limited soloing skill who at least played clearly enough to where you could appreciate his tone. I recognized the sound, but it was faintly tweaked somehow in a way I could not recognize with 100% confidence. Turns out, it was the Invader II.

Luckily enough, though he wasn't a great player, he was able to go through a myriad of rhythm and lead tones of it's quad-channel design. The cleans were a bit crisper on channel 1, channel 2 was a bit crunchier yet slightly warmer, channel 3 was just really really really good in both rhythm and lead playing, and the 4th channel, though it still does the over-the-top saturation thing, had kind of an Engl Retro vibe.

Then I finally looked and understood what they put on the back panel which is basically sets of little dip switches which you can set to change the inherent EQ voicing of each channel. WOW! That's so cool because, for example, there were some times when the Invader 100 wanted to sound like a Marshall but I couldn't quite get it there. Now, you can give it an inherent EQ curve which allows you to tweak the sound to preference. It's great for adjusting to different speaker cabs, guitar pickups, etc...

I don't understand exactly what the Sound Wizard module does, and at this point, I don't care that it's obscure to me because I couldn't imagine wanting any more flexibility from one amp; nor would I want to add to the circuitry as I'm kind of a fan of minimal circuitry (which in my mind amounts to purer tone and fewer points of failure). Anyway, aside from that the built-in noise gate works better than any noise suppression pedal as far as I'm concerned. On the same note, even gained out on channel 4 was very quiet, so I'm not sure how necessary the noise gate is.

I never thought the Invader 100 could be improved in terms of tone, and I'm not sure that it has in the Invader II except that they somehow made the channels more individually characteristic and somehow increased the usefulness while decreasing the redundancy of the channels. I don't know if that necessarily makes a lot of sense, but you would understand if you play one.

It doesn't seem clear whether Engl receives the rewards it deserves. On one hand, people seem to always speak highly of them yet on the other hand, they don't seem to hold the market reverence of some mainstream brands. Dealers seem to start carrying them, then fail to market them or present them properly to customers, and then stop carrying them. Despite all this, Engl seems to remain worldwide and going strong.

All I can say at this point is that if you are like I was an kind of ignoring the fancy new Invader II, I would say it's well worth it to get over that and give it a try. The Invader has always had great cleans, but the Invader II elevates them a bit. In every aspect as far as I could tell, the Invader II carries on the great, great legacy of the Invader 100. By the way, I always talk about the Invader 100 exclusively because the 150 just seemed like too much to me; too many tubes and the 100 was plenty loud as it was, so I never got why there was 150 watt version. Anyway the Invader II man.... awesome, awesome, awesome.


Did you hear the amp in person , or were you watching a youtube video or something like that ? Ive ha both the original Invader and the Invader II ,...Did not hvae the sound wizard though I could give my full opinion on both amps if you so desire. Long story short the best tone out of either one of them is Channel 2 on the original version but thats just my opinion I'm sure others might disagree.

I began my review by explaining how I came across the amp to get experience with it, so I'm not sure if you usually leave out entire parts of your reading or if you disagree with my assessment. If you have a different opinion then, by all means, be a man and say so up front instead of some roundabout question like "did you play it in person or hear it on youtube." It makes you sound like you're trying to be a dick about it.

Ok so you havent even tried the amp yourself yet you say in the title of the thread that it "Defies Expectations", you go on further to say in your own words that its so awesome ! ... .. You came to that conclusion by listening to someone else play it ? you still dont want to say ? And I'm "trying to be a dick" for asking these questions ? What a joke.

You questioned whether I based it on something heard on Youtube when I clearly said it got my attention in person. While common sense and logic would dictate that a person impressed with an amp in a guitar store would try it, you seem to defy common sense and logic by assuming that I went and wrote a review based on passing by some hacker playing one. Yeah, I certainly grabbed a guitar and played it for nearly an hour. Granted, most "I played one in Guitar Center" reviews aren't worth much, I already had a lot of familiarity with the amps predecessor. Therefore, I crafted my review based on first-hand knowledge.
 
Ok good for you, you could have just said you played the amp when I asked the first time. If you liked it in person thats cool. My experience though it may have been not as good as yours doesnt really matter , thats why I asked in the first place.
 
Fuego":3bat07kh said:
Rezamatix":3bat07kh said:
I have heard some dodgy things about the size, quality and build of the their transformers. Any clarification on that?
It's German. They don't make shit. Best engineering in the world. I highly doubt they're gonna start now? I don't know though, sounds awesome.

you are american I guess...
ever heard of VW dieselgate...???

Germany is full of those craps...
 
blackie13":mc7118vu said:
Fuego":mc7118vu said:
Rezamatix":mc7118vu said:
I have heard some dodgy things about the size, quality and build of the their transformers. Any clarification on that?
It's German. They don't make shit. Best engineering in the world. I highly doubt they're gonna start now? I don't know though, sounds awesome.

you are american I guess...
ever heard of VW dieselgate...???

Germany is full of those craps...
Nah man, I'm from Texas, India.
 
the4thlast1":26muikzq said:
tstern66":26muikzq said:
Maybe the OP really likes the amp and the technology involved. I love the Fortin Meathead and never played one. haha


Yeah I get it and thats fine...Clips are good and get our interest going. Its what makes us want to buy amps in the first place. Its just funny how o.p. goes into such detail about how great the amp is then because I ask if he played one in person Im a dick.
You come off as a dick. I know ur kind though, and know ur really the asshole. Your boyfriend told me so.
 
Fuego":3bt0t4xy said:
blackie13":3bt0t4xy said:
Fuego":3bt0t4xy said:
Rezamatix":3bt0t4xy said:
I have heard some dodgy things about the size, quality and build of the their transformers. Any clarification on that?
It's German. They don't make shit. Best engineering in the world. I highly doubt they're gonna start now? I don't know though, sounds awesome.

you are american I guess...
ever heard of VW dieselgate...???

Germany is full of those craps...
Nah man, I'm from Texas, India.

man u know about india and you don't know about shitty german engenering...???
 
this fucking thread went weirdo.

these amps crush.

That is all.
 
blackie13":1jbsmv9y said:
Fuego":1jbsmv9y said:
Rezamatix":1jbsmv9y said:
I have heard some dodgy things about the size, quality and build of the their transformers. Any clarification on that?
It's German. They don't make shit. Best engineering in the world. I highly doubt they're gonna start now? I don't know though, sounds awesome.

you are american I guess...
ever heard of VW dieselgate...???

Germany is full of those craps...
Ha ha that about VW cheating their emission reports in the computer, so they can advertise for better mpg. Which means they were lying about the gas mileage for years. But still quality cars...just not as fuel efficient.

Back on topic...what ENGL did Craig Goldie use on Resurrection Kings? Nice fat Marshally tone. :rock:
 
Fuego":alq61je1 said:
the4thlast1":alq61je1 said:
tstern66":alq61je1 said:
Maybe the OP really likes the amp and the technology involved. I love the Fortin Meathead and never played one. haha


Yeah I get it and thats fine...Clips are good and get our interest going. Its what makes us want to buy amps in the first place. Its just funny how o.p. goes into such detail about how great the amp is then because I ask if he played one in person Im a dick.
You come off as a dick. I know ur kind though, and know ur really the asshole. Your boyfriend told me so.


And you come off as a imature dope who is butthurt I dissed your favorite amp. But I must be wrong because you already told us anything made in Germany is done with the "best engineering in the world".

Go ahead throw your next stone or be an adult , pissing match is over.

The best sounding ENGL amps for the most part are the simple and less expensive ones such as the Fireball 100 , Artist Edition, Retro 100, etc .. I'm not the only one who has come to that conclusion , if you need lots of channels and knobs to turn then by all means go spend more money.
 
Wow! That was a bit of digression. Well, the thing about amps is that we all have different opinions and takes on what they sound like or how good they are. I think there is a loose baseline of what well-made, reliable amps are. The geography of where products are made is a major factor. I also believe that there is a certain degree of credibility that should be assumed in reviews which at least describe the why and how in some detail rather than just raving or denigrating a product.

Having said that, whatever thickness of PCB, brand of caps, weight of transformers, etc... seems merely relative because most of these amps last years and years. I have heard many things about the inferiority of Marshall components and design, but I have found Marshalls to be quite reliable. Same thing with Engl. I had a Screamer once, and even lent it to someone who toured with it for a month, and after 3 years of use and abuse, it was purring beautifully with the original tubes and all. Can I base Engl reliability on my experience with one of their amps? No, but together with my experience using other Engls, and much of the information I have come across, I would say that there is enough consensus to consider Engl as one of the more reliable brands.

Forums like TGP attack people who honestly try to contribute to the online community, and I think that's a bad rut to get into for Rig-Talk. My review was sincere and I described to a reasonable degree the reasons why I think the Invader is a great amp. Therefore, it's just a dick move to criticize such a contribution or interject unsupported statement about how much sucks. Bottom line, take it for what it's worth and if you try it for yourself, then let me know if you agree or disagree with my assessment.

the4thlast1":tx8atqca said:
Ok good for you, you could have just said you played the amp when I asked the first time. If you liked it in person thats cool. My experience though it may have been not as good as yours doesnt really matter , thats why I asked in the first place.

I never said anything remotely related to your experience not being as good or that it doesn't matter. You said that all on your own. In fact, I demanded that you say it outright even if it contradicts my assessment. I'm not a liberal so I'm not the type to censor people's input as long as it's relevant, useful, and qualified to some degree.
 
Racerxrated":2xacg5hf said:
blackie13":2xacg5hf said:
Fuego":2xacg5hf said:
Rezamatix":2xacg5hf said:
I have heard some dodgy things about the size, quality and build of the their transformers. Any clarification on that?
It's German. They don't make shit. Best engineering in the world. I highly doubt they're gonna start now? I don't know though, sounds awesome.

you are american I guess...
ever heard of VW dieselgate...???

Germany is full of those craps...
Ha ha that about VW cheating their emission reports in the computer, so they can advertise for better mpg. Which means they were lying about the gas mileage for years. But still quality cars...just not as fuel efficient.

Back on topic...what ENGL did Craig Goldie use on Resurrection Kings? Nice fat Marshally tone. :rock:

Probably a Powerball II. That tends to be his main amp these days.
 
ENGLs sound good to great. Build quality is total shit though.
 
I own an Invader 100 and an Artist Edition. I was on a tone search with a multitude of Amps for a long time, and I have these be used they suit me and my needs. His is actually my third Invader and I've decided to stop selling them and just keep this one regardless of how much is offered to me. Because in the end, it has everything I've ever wanted in an amp.

Haven't played the 2, probably wont ever have the chance to.. I'm no longer looking for an amp, where I'd basically need to buy it to try it. I think there's eough versatility in the original to satisfy most people. Connected to a midi footcontroller with the additional bright and gain activated there's a lot on the pallet to color with.

I got the Artist Edition in a trade recently and was hesitant at first.. Only because of its perceived limitations as compared to the Invader. I was blown away by its heavy bottom end and clarity.. I'll probably be dialing in one of my Invader channels to mimic his sound in the future. But for now I have my old sound which was based more on versatility, heaviness and cut.. And my new sound, which is thick, juicy, a bit retro and kinda simple. Pretty nice place to be really. The Artist would require a midi adapter to enable more functionality, I guess I kinda like the fact that there's still a little room to grow here if I feel the need. But for now simplicity is ruling the day.

I havent had any issues with the Engls I've owned. I also dont tour or abuse my gear.. S hopefully that won't be an issue. Im not a tech either, so I can't comment on the guts.

All I can say is they sound Killer to me!
 
I've had my Invader 100 for about 6 and a half years now, and it was the amp I used in my last band for a solid three years. I never use it anymore though, as I've only been recording my own music for the last few years and it's not the sound I want at the moment. ENGLs to me seem to have an unnatural plasticky compression going on, a very refined and calculated aggression rather than an aggression that has lost it's fucking mind.
 
Can anybody here confirm whether the Invader 100 is the tone I hear on Kreator's Hordes of Chaos album? I mean definitive confirmation say from an interview with the band, etc. Might be the same amp, mixed with other Engls perhaps, that's on some of their earlier stuff too?
Can't get enough Kreator!!! Fuckin love those guys!!!
 
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