EVH's Roth-era live setup?

[zoom club]

Yeah there's something going on there, even a jmp modded to 2204 would be brutal to get that much gain.

 

[Rdodson]

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

 

[messenger]

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

How do you know that??

 

[lespaul6]

Here is James doing the stupid variac thing... still needed a pedal to get it compressed enough for tapping and smooth evh legato stuff.. otherwise the amp is still too open, like a compressed angus young.. but not evh *I thought the hotplate sounded like poo

 

[zoom club]

I've tried to run heaters at sub 90 volts, sounded like ass.

 

[HilltopExplosion]

6l6GC's in a BE100

https://soundcloud.com/user-437728583/b ... experiment

BE channel. Gain was at 1 o'clock, 100 VAC

 

[RockyStar]

Sounds good ^^^^

 

[Distored]

His amp and speaker was miced down the hall at Studio C or 8H?

 

[CP5150]

We've had this discussion before. And recently. In 1984 Ed started using the H&H power amps to control his volume. That's why he's so quiet on Letterman and SNL. I don't feel like posting the Rudy interview again. Trust me. 1984 tour on he's using the H&H power amps. Before that somebody here listed accurately what he was doing. I wouldn't be suprised if he used them in the studio for 1984 too.

 

[Rdodson]

I used to work for the band.

He never ran 12301 on normal voltage, when he did it wouldn't last long because the bias was pretty well cranked. Jose did have a simple master installed at one point that didn't sound very good. The zener diode stuff that Jose did wasn't done to 12301. That is a totally different sound. He did attempt to do some passive load stuff that sorta worked at times from what I understand but it was all experimental and "the sound" was stock amp at ~ 89v w/bias cranked into a single 4x12. 2 echoplexes and a Boss eq slamming the front end sometimes. That's it.

He did, as I understand it, use the variac as a volume control. He liked it best at ~89-90 but would go lower. I heard (maybe it was Scotty Ross but I could be wrong it has been 20 years ago) that for those situations like the Letterman show he would crank it down to where it was reasonable. And if you listen to the extended clip online that has Sunshine of Your Love you can hear that it isn't the snappy tone from the studio but a super-saggy tone.

Don't hit me up for any more info because I don't know any. Plus, if you don't believe John Suhr, Mike Soldano, Reinhold Bogner, or Steve Fryette...why would you believe me?

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

How do you know that??

 

[Stradazone]

Best VH tone right here..

 

[messenger]

I used to work for the band.

He never ran 12301 on normal voltage, when he did it wouldn't last long because the bias was pretty well cranked. Jose did have a simple master installed at one point that didn't sound very good. The zener diode stuff that Jose did wasn't done to 12301. That is a totally different sound. He did attempt to do some passive load stuff that sorta worked at times from what I understand but it was all experimental and "the sound" was stock amp at ~ 89v w/bias cranked into a single 4x12. 2 echoplexes and a Boss eq slamming the front end sometimes. That's it.

He did, as I understand it, use the variac as a volume control. He liked it best at ~89-90 but would go lower. I heard (maybe it was Scotty Ross but I could be wrong it has been 20 years ago) that for those situations like the Letterman show he would crank it down to where it was reasonable. And if you listen to the extended clip online that has Sunshine of Your Love you can hear that it isn't the snappy tone from the studio but a super-saggy tone.

Don't hit me up for any more info because I don't know any. Plus, if you don't believe John Suhr, Mike Soldano, Reinhold Bogner, or Steve Fryette...why would you believe me?

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

How do you know that??

Cool. Was just curious how you knew (if you read it in an interview etc).

 

[charvelstrat81]

6l6GC's in a BE100

https://soundcloud.com/user-437728583/b ... experiment

BE channel. Gain was at 1 o'clock, 100 VAC

F**K ed's old tone gimme that one right there!
Freidman BE is a great amp!

 

[Bronco]

6l6GC's in a BE100

https://soundcloud.com/user-437728583/b ... experiment

BE channel. Gain was at 1 o'clock, 100 VAC

F**K ed's old tone gimme that one right there!
Freidman BE is a great amp!

Agreed, that was a really fun listen...and FWIW, I have the Metro Friedman 12301, which has the built in Variac mode. The other day, I decided to run it that way into an actual Variac, set to 100 VAC. Good times ...even more spongy!

 

[Rdodson]

It's no big deal but people want to believe some wild-arse conspiracy instead of all the evidence.

Some of those 68s just get a really great gained-up sound.

I used to work for the band.

He never ran 12301 on normal voltage, when he did it wouldn't last long because the bias was pretty well cranked. Jose did have a simple master installed at one point that didn't sound very good. The zener diode stuff that Jose did wasn't done to 12301. That is a totally different sound. He did attempt to do some passive load stuff that sorta worked at times from what I understand but it was all experimental and "the sound" was stock amp at ~ 89v w/bias cranked into a single 4x12. 2 echoplexes and a Boss eq slamming the front end sometimes. That's it.

He did, as I understand it, use the variac as a volume control. He liked it best at ~89-90 but would go lower. I heard (maybe it was Scotty Ross but I could be wrong it has been 20 years ago) that for those situations like the Letterman show he would crank it down to where it was reasonable. And if you listen to the extended clip online that has Sunshine of Your Love you can hear that it isn't the snappy tone from the studio but a super-saggy tone.

Don't hit me up for any more info because I don't know any. Plus, if you don't believe John Suhr, Mike Soldano, Reinhold Bogner, or Steve Fryette...why would you believe me?

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

How do you know that??

Cool. Was just curious how you knew (if you read it in an interview etc).

 

[Anonymous]

This 100%. My Metro 12000 had more than enough gain for EVH style legato and the fact that a few here in this thread have played a couple of old Super Leads that didn't only indicates to me that EVH just happened to luck into one that did. I doubt it was modded for gain or anything other than a Master at one time. I didn't believe a stock Super Lead circuit could get the gain/sustain EVH did years ago, but now I've personally experienced it...

Steve

It's no big deal but people want to believe some wild-arse conspiracy instead of all the evidence.

Some of those 68s just get a really great gained-up sound.

I used to work for the band.

He never ran 12301 on normal voltage, when he did it wouldn't last long because the bias was pretty well cranked. Jose did have a simple master installed at one point that didn't sound very good. The zener diode stuff that Jose did wasn't done to 12301. That is a totally different sound. He did attempt to do some passive load stuff that sorta worked at times from what I understand but it was all experimental and "the sound" was stock amp at ~ 89v w/bias cranked into a single 4x12. 2 echoplexes and a Boss eq slamming the front end sometimes. That's it.

He did, as I understand it, use the variac as a volume control. He liked it best at ~89-90 but would go lower. I heard (maybe it was Scotty Ross but I could be wrong it has been 20 years ago) that for those situations like the Letterman show he would crank it down to where it was reasonable. And if you listen to the extended clip online that has Sunshine of Your Love you can hear that it isn't the snappy tone from the studio but a super-saggy tone.

Don't hit me up for any more info because I don't know any. Plus, if you don't believe John Suhr, Mike Soldano, Reinhold Bogner, or Steve Fryette...why would you believe me?

My Metro 12000 was bone stock, and got very very close to that tone when cranked and variaced. Ed was running ~ 85v in that clip, therefore making about 25w. Not THAT loud, and really saggy saturated.

How do you know that??

Cool. Was just curious how you knew (if you read it in an interview etc).

 

[Rdodson]

Yes, the White 12000 that UPS did its best to try and destroy. But that amp lived to see another day!! ;-)

 

[eddyrox]

Its a bit comical that so many guys still chase the tone Ed got 40 years ago...Sorry no offense but these types of threads usually turn into an argument of know it alls and "experts" on everything Van Halen.

sh*t, where's the "LIKE comment" button, sh*t, gotta hit that "LIKE comment" button

 

[FUZZboat]

I thought "according to rigtalk member general consensus" that the " EVH tonez are in the fingerz" ??

 

[Chester Nimitz]

But teH fingers wern't modded & bone stock ...