Folks who find Boogies too confusing.

[RaceU4her]

"I really need the flexibility a $3000 modeler and all it's features gives me."
1 day later.....
"Couldn't coax a convincing EVH Panama sound from it, WTT for JCM800"

Well at least they tried, i see some guys barely get past turning the thing on and back it goes because they can’t figure out the control screen or whatever.. and then yeah they usually can’t resist reminding you of their passionate love for tubes lol

 

[Beyond Black]

I hate mesas.

I hate modelers and prefer set it and forget it.

I prefer preset patches on my PCM81 because I’m in the “good enough” thought process.

At the end of the day making music matters more to me.

Well, I can set up any of my five Mesas to sound exactly how I want in about 30 seconds flat, and then “make music.”

 

[skoora]

Re: Modelers, the flip side are those who feel the need to tweak and test drive every 1/10th of a digital notch
of EVERY available input, amp, fx, IR, output, etc., built into a signal flow before settling on whether an
amp sounds good enough.

Wanna waste an entire afternoon? Buy a Celestion IR pack and audition all 640 options to narrow down
which one best nails Angus Young's early AC/DC tones (altogether forgetting that the first time you fell
in love with the tones was probably listening through a mediocre car stereo!)

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It’s like guys who go on about the age contributing to the vintage amp/pickup mojo but forgetting that ‘69 plexi or PAF were brand new when “X” played it and got that recorded tone that sets your jizz flowin’..
lol

 

[Faded Abyss]

All of those setting on the front panel of the Mark are simple and logical to me

Too many features can irritate me at times. The dual rectifier, has all these options that nobody seems to use. Like the multi watt setting, (1 watt is louder than hell!) the tube rectifier being the premise of the layout and name.. but it seems like most people just make it chug.

then they come out with the badlander and streamline the features, which is great.. but don’t give the option to do without the ir loader/loadbox. Yeah I know I can ignore it, but how much extra did I have to pay and what corners did they skimp out on to get it in there?
Then there’s the new Revv generator.

I like how Suhr did it with the Pete Thorn sig. they have a version without all that bull for $500 less.

 

[DanTravis62]

I hate mesas.

I hate modelers and prefer set it and forget it.

I prefer preset patches on my PCM81 because I’m in the “good enough” thought process.

At the end of the day making music matters more to me.

To me, it's a simple cost benefit analysis.

If I can plug it in, not have to worry about the tone, and just start writing music - that's a win, for me.

I've owned a dozen different Mesas, and God bless it, tried to record with them.

God help you if you bump a couple of knobs, because you'll never get the tone back, and your entire recording will be screwed up ?

I tried to jive with them forever and just couldn't do it.

 

[Snave]

Of course an amp that needs a built-in graphic EQ and funky tonestack settings to sound decent is confusing to people. Adding push-pull everything and power section tweaks on top of that just exacerbates the issue.

 

[cardinal]

Of course an amp that needs a built-in graphic EQ and funky tonestack settings to sound decent is confusing to people. Adding push-pull everything and power section tweaks on top of that just exacerbates the issue.

I like the Mark but this take isn't wrong, though I'm fine with a Mark with no GEQ as long as it's drummer-loud.

 

[Racerxrated]

Well at least they tried, i see some guys barely get past turning the thing on and back it goes because they can’t figure out the control screen or whatever.. and then yeah they usually can’t resist reminding you of their passionate love for tubes lol

Nah. It just didn't sound very good. Just the way it is.

 

[Racerxrated]

Well, I can set up any of my five Mesas to sound exactly how I want in about 30 seconds flat, and then “make music.”

Exactly. They aren't that hard. If you can't figure it out in say, 10 minutes then I think dialing in tone isn't for you. All you have to do is google 'Mesa settings' if you have no patience for it.
Marshall is easier of course..but no modded Marshall I've ever had (I've had great ones) can give me the monster tones I get from my Triple F and C+ Coli. On the flip side, no modded Marshall, Mesa or stock 800 can touch what I can get from my 72 Supertrem + a pedal. All different and amazing to my ears.
No more amp gas for me.

 

[JimAnsell]

8/0/0 for some serious metal sizzle. mine is at 7/3/0 right now, sitting next to me. i guess my kids haven't messed with it yet today.

 

[JimAnsell]

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HAAAA!!!!! awesome reference sir. Although i don't agree. i think the mark V will be appreciated more down the road, if they hold up to the test of time, quality wise. never know what weird thing that boogie did, that may bite you in the ass down the road. Either way, they sound great, and aren't hard to set. the 5 band is certainly different "Feeling" IIc+ - mark iv era eq. it didn't seem as sensitive to me. i had 2 of these (combo and head), and i remember the eq being set way different for "my sound", than my earlier marks.

 

[RaceU4her]

If I can plug it in, not have to worry about the tone, and just start writing music - that's a win, for me.

I’m kind of the opposite, most of my riffs come when I’m trying different combos of amps/cabs/pedals and I’m just kind of noodling around trying things. I always keep my recorder on my phone ready to catch riffs if I’m jamming. Band practice and live though i don’t want to be fucking around and usually just pick a rig and go with it

 

[Donnie B.]

I’m kind of the opposite, most of my riffs come when I’m trying different combos of amps/cabs/pedals and I’m just kind of noodling around trying things. I always keep my recorder on my phone ready to catch riffs if I’m jamming.

DUDE!!! (assuming you're a dude)
You need one of these. Amazing songwriting tool for guitarists.

https://www.tcelectronic.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CM1

 

[Dopethrone]

"Folks that..."

Should sell ME their Mesas ! Haha

 

[RaceU4her]

DUDE!!! (assuming you're a dude)
You need one of these. Amazing songwriting tool for guitarists.

https://www.tcelectronic.com/product.html?modelCode=P0CM1

Am I seeing you can play riffs back through your amp with this?? That would be amazing to play drums along with myself

 

[Donnie B.]

Am I seeing you can play riffs back through your amp with this?? That would be amazing to play drums along with myself

The cool thing is it's true bypass when not recording. So noodle along and if you stumble on something cool,
record the part, click off the pedal, and then just keep on noodling. You can store a bunch of ideas and then cycle through them
later to decide which ones to toss and which to develop further. No more having to remember all the nice stuff
you trip over while just mindlessly jamming.

It's a no-brainer purchase for anyone writing and/or recording.

 

[DanTravis62]

I’m kind of the opposite, most of my riffs come when I’m trying different combos of amps/cabs/pedals and I’m just kind of noodling around trying things. I always keep my recorder on my phone ready to catch riffs if I’m jamming. Band practice and live though i don’t want to be fucking around and usually just pick a rig and go with it

That's fair enough. I definitely do that when I'm messing around with delay and other time based effects.

But I guess for solid high gain sounds, it's more about the notes than the effects for me ?‍

 

[midnightlaundry]

HAAAA!!!!! awesome reference sir. Although i don't agree. i think the mark V will be appreciated more down the road, if they hold up to the test of time, quality wise. never know what weird thing that boogie did, that may bite you in the ass down the road. Either way, they sound great, and aren't hard to set. the 5 band is certainly different "Feeling" IIc+ - mark iv era eq. it didn't seem as sensitive to me. i had 2 of these (combo and head), and i remember the eq being set way different for "my sound", than my earlier marks.

Meh.. I've played Boogies for 20 years..
Had a MV.
Those dumb 1 knob GEQ things are unusable.
Tube FX Loop is great.
The Clean channel modes and options were great. No argument to be had there.
The Edge on Yellow was unusable dogshit.
Crunch was only okay but needed to be played loud for it to work but I could never get a sharp pick attack from it.
M1 mode was just a bloated mess and have to think that it doesn't sound close to an original M1.
They chose to clone a non GEQ 2C which was a fail because NOBODY is not going to use a GEQ with it and it always sounded thin and empty compared to the MIV mode.
MIV mode is the way to go.
Extreme is garbage..

At some point more is not more.. It's amazing that they can fit all that in 1 amp, but it only does a few things well.
In the end I got tired of needing a GEQ to make an amp that already has TMB knobs sound good. I jumped ship and now play amps that don't come with GEQ's..

 

[panhead]

They are hot rodded fenders with fender midrange. The only one Ive owned that was simple is a 50 cal.+. They are not marshall`s lol

 

[Speeddemon]

Meh.. I've played Boogies for 20 years..
Had a MV.
Those dumb 1 knob GEQ things are unusable.
Tube FX Loop is great.
The Clean channel modes and options were great. No argument to be had there.
The Edge on Yellow was unusable dogshit.
Crunch was only okay but needed to be played loud for it to work but I could never get a sharp pick attack from it.
M1 mode was just a bloated mess and have to think that it doesn't sound close to an original M1.
They chose to clone a non GEQ 2C which was a fail because NOBODY is not going to use a GEQ with it and it always sounded thin and empty compared to the MIV mode.
MIV mode is the way to go.
Extreme is garbage..

At some point more is not more.. It's amazing that they can fit all that in 1 amp, but it only does a few things well.
In the end I got tired of needing a GEQ to make an amp that already has TMB knobs sound good. I jumped ship and now play amps that don't come with GEQ's..

Interesting to hear.
The Crunch mode was/is actually the money-maker on my Mark V:25 little one. If any Mesa Boogie-tone comes close to EVH tones, it's this setting. Has the raw kerrang thing going on. And I enjoy Xtreme mode as well. Has less gain than Mark IV mode, but a fuller tone.
I use Mark IV mode, if I'm playing some late 80's aggressive thrash metal (think Overkill, Nuclear Assault, Kreator), because of the attack and punch.
Xtreme mode for most other stuff. Don't care for the IIC+ mode in the mini Mark; too Santana for me.