For a fuller sound.....

[Ventura]

I run a VH4S, and it's all that and then some - the independent EQ's for the 2 sides (Presence and Depth, as well as FX Loop Intensity) work wonders in filling sonic gaps when playing loud and live. I also like to have a true stereo delay in almost all the playing, one running really minimally for both in tandem, and one slightly phased out (milliseconds here peeps) between the 2 sides. It totally adds a different dimension to the playing.

Good luck! Peace,
V.

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Rivera Los Lobottom powered sub.

http://www.rivera.com/products/powsub/sub2.php

 

[FastRedPonyCar]

if you don't have enough low end on stage, the cab is at fault. not the speakers or amp.

That being said, running 2 amps simultaneously will give a much more filling sound but is a lot more stuff going on that can go wrong on stage. I used to run the titan and nitro both at the same time into my splawn 412 with full separate stereo effects and the tone was untouchable but it was SO much stuff to hook up and make sure everything was just right.

The biggest issue though was that those two amps EACH are more than loud enough to totally obliterate the rest of the band and running both of them at once was just a real chore to get them set just right so that they didn't overwhelm the mix. It was much more trouble than it was worth.


I went from that huge monstrosity of a setup to my renegade 212 combo and a delay and eq pedal in the loop that sit back behind the amp and I'm just as happy on stage

 

[Motorpud]

Say you're main amp already has a punchy, focused, thick & tight sound with lots of midrange, but might be lacking a little bit of thud and fullness on the lower end....


Is it worth to run a second amp in stereo, that has the mids scooped out & presence dialed down so you won't really hear the notes coming from it, but the overall sound will 'fill out' and bloom around and thus make your sound fuller?

You should try a parametric EQ. I had a Rane pe-15 I used to use to solve the same issue and it worked great.

 

[BOZZY]

I run 2 rigs the Cornford is set up normal and the graphic/poweramp rig is set up bass heavy.The poweramp rig sounds too thick on its own but mixed with the Cornford it sounds massive!!

That looks good man.

I tried a similar thing with my setup just now. The MarkIV was set up as normal, running through the cab (described in my sig) and the Fireball was set very dark and bass heavy, through a 4x12 cab loaded with V30s. It worked fairly well but still tended to 'smear' the sound a bit too much, like whatever top end from the Fireball was clashing with the MarkIV. I guess it was the V30s?


What preamp goes into the poweramp? Is that poweramp just running an EQ'd version of a slaved out signal from the Cornford?

Yeah its a slaved out signal from the Cornford..

Tonebra's on the Marshall cab?? You like ,em?

Yeah, it now sounds much better,made them out of cd's and velcro.

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

I've already got another cabinet, a 4x12 loaded with V30s. I used to love running the MarkIV into that cab but since the newer cab, it pales in comparison.
In fact I have three cabinets, but one of them is ruined when I butchered the grille with a hacksaw, trying to make room for a rotating Leslie .

The thing is though too, my custom cab is in 'stereo', 2x16 ohms. So it already takes up the two outputs from my MarkIV. Plus it's a (safe) mismatch so I don't want to change it more.

If your cabinet has casters trying setting it on its side so the cabinet is making direct contact with floor..

 

[Badronald]

I wanted more low end out of my JCM800 and I didn't want to mod it. I had a few guys mention to me that I should just run an EQ in the loop. Worked fantastic. Very simple, no mods. Just boost up the low frequencies you want and bam, you're good.

Now I've got TONS of low end (don't really need it all when I play with my band. My bass players 5 string Custom Shop Jazz bass provides massive low end). No need for dual amp setups.

 

[FastRedPonyCar]

I wanted more low end out of my JCM800 and I didn't want to mod it. I had a few guys mention to me that I should just run an EQ in the loop. Worked fantastic. Very simple, no mods. Just boost up the low frequencies you want and bam, you're good.

Now I've got TONS of low end (don't really need it all when I play with my band. My bass players 5 string Custom Shop Jazz bass provides massive low end). No need for dual amp setups.

Yup. This did the trick with my renegade combo. The nature of the smaller speaker enclosure meant less low end. The speakers are capable of handling FAR more lows than what the cab itself can produce naturally so using the MXR can add a lot more. sounds huge.

 

[petejt]

I've already got another cabinet, a 4x12 loaded with V30s. I used to love running the MarkIV into that cab but since the newer cab, it pales in comparison.
In fact I have three cabinets, but one of them is ruined when I butchered the grille with a hacksaw, trying to make room for a rotating Leslie .

The thing is though too, my custom cab is in 'stereo', 2x16 ohms. So it already takes up the two outputs from my MarkIV. Plus it's a (safe) mismatch so I don't want to change it more.

If your cabinet has casters trying setting it on its side so the cabinet is making direct contact with floor..

Thanks for the suggestion man. But, wouldn't an angled cab look a bit silly and unbalanced sitting on its side?
What if I just took the casters off?

 

[petejt]

Say you're main amp already has a punchy, focused, thick & tight sound with lots of midrange, but might be lacking a little bit of thud and fullness on the lower end....


Is it worth to run a second amp in stereo, that has the mids scooped out & presence dialed down so you won't really hear the notes coming from it, but the overall sound will 'fill out' and bloom around and thus make your sound fuller?

You should try a parametric EQ. I had a Rane pe-15 I used to use to solve the same issue and it worked great.

I do have a parametric EQ, but I wasn't successful with setting it. Even though I understand what Q means etc. it just made the amp sound too boomy rather than 'thuddy'.
Or I'd dial out so much of the sound, all I'd hear was the raw MarkIV tone coming from its cab, which sounded the best out of everything.


Do you have any tips on parametric EQ settings?

 

[petejt]

if you don't have enough low end on stage, the cab is at fault. not the speakers or amp.

That being said, running 2 amps simultaneously will give a much more filling sound but is a lot more stuff going on that can go wrong on stage. I used to run the titan and nitro both at the same time into my splawn 412 with full separate stereo effects and the tone was untouchable but it was SO much stuff to hook up and make sure everything was just right.

The biggest issue though was that those two amps EACH are more than loud enough to totally obliterate the rest of the band and running both of them at once was just a real chore to get them set just right so that they didn't overwhelm the mix. It was much more trouble than it was worth.


I went from that huge monstrosity of a setup to my renegade 212 combo and a delay and eq pedal in the loop that sit back behind the amp and I'm just as happy on stage

Well I think you pretty much understand why I don't really want to run a dual-amp setup in the first place. Too much stuff that can go wrong on stage, all the messing about with setting it up, and also overpowering the band. I want a nice neat setup rather than the monstrosity currently in my jam room/recording 'studio' (ie downstairs room next to the garage with egg cartons and carpet over the windows).

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Mix them.

Nothing comes close to the thickness and doubled harmonics of two amps in tandem.

Set up your sound with the Mesa then turn on the fireball and set it to boost whatever you find missing. I wouldn't cut out the higher frequencies though. use them to compliment the mesa as well.

It is alot to carry around but great tone is worth it!

 

[NITROHOLIC]

isp active 600 watt 15 sub. theyre fucking tits, and will do excatly what youre lookin for.

 

[petejt]

Mix them.

Nothing comes close to the thickness and doubled harmonics of two amps in tandem.

Set up your sound with the Mesa then turn on the fireball and set it to boost whatever you find missing. I wouldn't cut out the higher frequencies though. use them to compliment the mesa as well.

It is alot to carry around but great tone is worth it!

Well I'll try it again but won't cut out the higher frequencies as you said. It's just that I feel that the two amps clash a bit too much for my liking.

 

[D-Rock]

I've already got another cabinet, a 4x12 loaded with V30s. I used to love running the MarkIV into that cab but since the newer cab, it pales in comparison.
In fact I have three cabinets, but one of them is ruined when I butchered the grille with a hacksaw, trying to make room for a rotating Leslie .

The thing is though too, my custom cab is in 'stereo', 2x16 ohms. So it already takes up the two outputs from my MarkIV. Plus it's a (safe) mismatch so I don't want to change it more.

If your cabinet has casters trying setting it on its side so the cabinet is making direct contact with floor..

What if I just took the casters off?

That works nicely. More bass reflection coming off the floor.

 

[moltenmetalburn]

Mix them.

Nothing comes close to the thickness and doubled harmonics of two amps in tandem.

Set up your sound with the Mesa then turn on the fireball and set it to boost whatever you find missing. I wouldn't cut out the higher frequencies though. use them to compliment the mesa as well.

It is alot to carry around but great tone is worth it!

Well I'll try it again but won't cut out the higher frequencies as you said. It's just that I feel that the two amps clash a bit too much for my liking.

Some amps just wont mesh well sometimes...

 

[petejt]

Mix them.

Nothing comes close to the thickness and doubled harmonics of two amps in tandem.

Set up your sound with the Mesa then turn on the fireball and set it to boost whatever you find missing. I wouldn't cut out the higher frequencies though. use them to compliment the mesa as well.

It is alot to carry around but great tone is worth it!

Well I'll try it again but won't cut out the higher frequencies as you said. It's just that I feel that the two amps clash a bit too much for my liking.

Some amps just wont mesh well sometimes...

How come?

Is it just a phasing issue?

 

[OldSkoolNJ]

If your cabinet has casters trying setting it on its side so the cabinet is making direct contact with floor..

Thanks for the suggestion man. But, wouldn't an angled cab look a bit silly and unbalanced sitting on its side?
What if I just took the casters off?

It will allow the cabinet to resonate through the surface it is sitting on, just like an angled cab has the ability to blast up at your ear, depending on what side it is sitting on, That gives you the ability to control its projection towards what ever side of the stage you want..
But if you have pop out casters then I would try it...
It is free, so no loss to you if you do not like the results..

 

[eric_kv2]

What about a guitar subwoofer? I've heard mixed things about these, but I've also heard if you use it properly, you will get a full sound if you don't go crazy on the bass.

 

[SpiritCrusher86]

I'd just sell the fireball since it doesn't complinment the mark iv well and buy a tremoverb. I've heard that a mark iv and a tremoverb are godly togther.