FORTIN's Evil Pumpkin – Made in China?

[novosibir]

Ok Larry you win. Those master volume settings make or break the amp. If only he had dialed your amp to 1.7 then we would truely hear the Larry for all it’s worth.

This again shows how huge your knowledge & experience is with gear, especially with tube amps! My congrats!

Why don't you step into a mother's forum and tell there, that you've smoked during pregnance?

Believe me, the attention you'd get then is way not comparable with the attention, you're generating here

 

[novosibir]

I've already told you where you should try to get your attention.

The attention I've already donated to you today was worth at least 200US$

But if you like to get some more from me, then with pleasure I'd forward my bank details to you

 

[psychodave]

I was just talking to a friend about amp volumes. Lots of people don’t play the amps at the volumes they were intended to play. One thing people seem to forget is the headroom and compression cranked up power tubes add to the sound.

 

[Monkey Man]

Yeah Dave, the gradual increase in emphasis of the preamp gain as opposed to power amp from the '80s onwards has resulted in this "lack of awareness" IMHO, mate.

After all, the whole idea was to be able to avoid having to crank things to ear-splitting levels and still achieve decent tone.

 

[skullfxr]

So far I have yet to heard a Larry sound better than a Fortin.

 

[skullfxr]

Larry is now touting his power amp is what makes his amp special. Well is that why John Schaffer uses only Larry’s preamps on tour with a Marshall JCM 2000 as a power amp?

I actually lol'd at this.

 

[negaodapicona]

Maybe the truth is:
The clips sound like shit, because the amps sound like shit...

If I have a 12 inches dick I wouldn't mind in to post it on the internet, but if it measures 12mm and someone discover the truth I would try to tell it is the cellphone's resolution fault.

Oh man... that’s hilarious!
It’s as embarrassing as being rich and not being able to buy what you want... or like being a plastic surgeon and not being able to fix your own face!???

Even being rich I can't buy a decent Larry's amp clip, because it non ecziste...

 

[SBlue]

Maybe the truth is:
The clips sound like shit, because the amps sound like shit...

If I have a 12 inches dick I wouldn't mind in to post it on the internet, but if it measures 12mm and someone discover the truth I would try to tell it is the cellphone's resolution fault.

Oh man... that’s hilarious!
It’s as embarrassing as being rich and not being able to buy what you want... or like being a plastic surgeon and not being able to fix your own face!???

Even being rich I can't buy a decent Larry's amp clip, because it non ecziste...

You could buy a Larry amp and make your own clip, if you could play at all. Too bad that, like Dumble, Larry won’t take orders from douche bags... ou cuzão.?
That might explain why some butt hurts so bad when Larry amps are the subject.

 

[novosibir]

Even being rich I can't buy a decent Larry's amp clip, because it non ecziste...

Not making and posting clips is part of limiting the demand, since I'm a one-man-company and have also a living besides my work.
Currently anyway is order stop until at least Sept this year, after the waiting time has rised up to 27 months.
The really interested people find their way to someone who owns a DINO to experience the beast in reality w/o YT compression.
Anyhow meanwhile there are about 70 DINO's and about 20 other Larry amps in North America

 

[DiezelMonster]

I'm not going to lie, I've wanted a Dino for a long time since I was able to play Mike's a few times and this thread has made me want one even more!

Holy Sheep shit, I just can't spend 10K (canadian dollars) on an amp!

 

[SBlue]

So far I have yet to heard a Larry sound better than a Fortin.

So far, I’ve haven’t heard a Fortin that comes even close to any Larry, Cameron or the Steavens Poundcake 100. And I’ve heard three Fortin mods and a Meshuggah. And that’s by A/Bing them side by side, not by online random audio clips.
On one occasion, a Fortin modded 75 Marshall, with Fortins Jose mod, was put side by side with a Cameron Ocean, and the Fortin pretty much sounded broken. It was like comparing a stock JCM900 to a properly done Jose mod.
Also, the Meshuggah who was shipped to Brazil, was thought it was damaged during shipment, because it sounded nothing like it did on the advertising audio clips. So, they’ve made a copy of it with what they thought would be a better. Voice for component values... it sounded 10x better than the Fortin.
Since I’m too old to be an internet troll, or to just play the online douche, I get my facts from my own experience, or by an unbiased direct a/b comparison. Not by random online audio.
Stay safe

 

[scottosan]

Set the Output control (Master) of a DINO at 0.3 and expect a overwhelming killer sound?
At a loudness level just so loud, that your baby sleeping in the next room doesn't wake up.
Or what else do you expect of a Larry amp?
Dumb ass!

Here is the same guy who posted the Larry clip. He’s playing the Evil Pumpkin at NAMM and the master isn’t set crazy high.

Um. He might as well come out with his own 2 string bass model

 

[scottosan]

23 pages now. Equal to the pairs of chromosomes that most people posting in the tread have, with the exception of Krull.

 

[novosibir]

23 pages now. Equal to the pairs of chromosomes that most people posting in the tread have, with the exception of Krull.

 

[psychodave]

I’m under the impression that with high gain amps you are relying more on the preamp for your overall tone. The design of a power amp hasn’t change much.

Sure the power amp adds to it but you need to crank the mofo to get the tubes to saturate with 100 watts.

You can record a high gain amp at fairly low volumes by compensating it with increasing the mic preamp and get great tones.

Larry is now touting his power amp is what makes his amp special. Well is that why John Schaffer uses only Larry’s preamps on tour with a Marshall JCM 2000 as a power amp?

I’m not talking about power tubes saturating, I’m talking about using some volume where the power tubes start to compress (speakers do as well). Every amp is different. So many people only play at bedroom volumes and never get the audible understanding of volume and it’s effects on sound.

I had a friend who bought a CCV and felt it was a cool amp, but didn’t have that thump some of his other amps had. After he sold the amp he was over and I turned up my CCV to a good volume and the first thing he said was “my CCV didn’t sound like that”. I asked him if he played it loud, he said no, he didn’t and isn’t able to play at that volume. He left with an understanding on how volume effects sound/tone. To add, I agree that power sections really haven’t changed, but transformers have, and that directly effects tone. I find when I crank my non master vintage Marshall’s, they distort a lot more than my CCV or Uberschall. My CCV stays together and focused at blistering volumes... almost to a fault.

 

[skullfxr]

So far I have yet to heard a Larry sound better than a Fortin.

So far, I’ve haven’t heard a Fortin that comes even close to any Larry, Cameron or the Steavens Poundcake 100. And I’ve heard three Fortin mods and a Meshuggah. And that’s by A/Bing them side by side, not by online random audio clips.
On one occasion, a Fortin modded 75 Marshall, with Fortins Jose mod, was put side by side with a Cameron Ocean, and the Fortin pretty much sounded broken. It was like comparing a stock JCM900 to a properly done Jose mod.
Also, the Meshuggah who was shipped to Brazil, was thought it was damaged during shipment, because it sounded nothing like it did on the advertising audio clips. So, they’ve made a copy of it with what they thought would be a better. Voice for component values... it sounded 10x better than the Fortin.
Since I’m too old to be an internet troll, or to just play the online douche, I get my facts from my own experience, or by an unbiased direct a/b comparison. Not by random online audio.
Stay safe

You missed the point. I was saying that I haven't heard a clip of a Larry that sounds better. Obviously I have not played one. It was in jest.

 

[hstlaurent]

Here is the same guy who posted the Larry clip. He’s playing the Evil Pumpkin at NAMM and the master isn’t set crazy high.

Wow, that's even worst that his other clip...

 

[braintheory]

So far I have yet to heard a Larry sound better than a Fortin.

So far, I’ve haven’t heard a Fortin that comes even close to any Larry, Cameron or the Steavens Poundcake 100. And I’ve heard three Fortin mods and a Meshuggah. And that’s by A/Bing them side by side, not by online random audio clips.
On one occasion, a Fortin modded 75 Marshall, with Fortins Jose mod, was put side by side with a Cameron Ocean, and the Fortin pretty much sounded broken. It was like comparing a stock JCM900 to a properly done Jose mod.
Also, the Meshuggah who was shipped to Brazil, was thought it was damaged during shipment, because it sounded nothing like it did on the advertising audio clips. So, they’ve made a copy of it with what they thought would be a better. Voice for component values... it sounded 10x better than the Fortin.
Since I’m too old to be an internet troll, or to just play the online douche, I get my facts from my own experience, or by an unbiased direct a/b comparison. Not by random online audio.
Stay safe

I had a similar experience with the 2 Fortin’s I’ve tried (Meshuggah and Natas) and always stress the importance of AB comparisons. I never form any conclusive opinions of any piece of gear anymore until I AB with something I know well. I think the AB comparisons are crucial

I’ve AB’ed the Meshuggah and Natas with other amps that I felt were great and the Meshuggah sounded comparatively very unimpressive, small and toy-like and I felt similarly about the Natas. The Meshuggah was AB’ed with 2 Cameron modded Marshall’s (Jose and Aldrich mods) and a stock ‘80’s Silver Jubilee. All those 3 amps sounded light years better than the Meshuggah

I never tried a Fortin modded Marshall, but have owned a Gower Killer Kali ++ and Rockmonster, which I heard from others are similar and some have told me even better than the Fortin versions. I thought they sounded good (but not amazing) when I first had them, but again the Cameron modded Marshall’s I had at the time smoked them

 

[SBlue]

I would suggest a get together with some Fortin amps and the amps that everyone know he got his "inspiration" from.
Then we would play the amps and listen to them all together, A/Bing them side by side, in the same room, and through the same cabinets.
We can record everything and post on youtube. That way, we would solve the problem of people not having Larry clips!
You'll all have a shit load of Larry clips, and even more Fortin clips!
I'd gladly provide the place, the Larry amps, some cabinets, and everything would be registered on a Instagram / Facebook live session, and also recorded and available on youtube for whoever could not watch it in realtime.
We could even go further and compare the Fortin amps that are Cameron "inspired" and compare them with the Camerons too.
We should call the event "Cru Fest"... that way, every time Mike would watch the video or someone would tell him about he would be reminded the reason why it happened.

 

[braintheory]

So far I have yet to heard a Larry sound better than a Fortin.

So far, I’ve haven’t heard a Fortin that comes even close to any Larry, Cameron or the Steavens Poundcake 100. And I’ve heard three Fortin mods and a Meshuggah. And that’s by A/Bing them side by side, not by online random audio clips.
On one occasion, a Fortin modded 75 Marshall, with Fortins Jose mod, was put side by side with a Cameron Ocean, and the Fortin pretty much sounded broken. It was like comparing a stock JCM900 to a properly done Jose mod.
Also, the Meshuggah who was shipped to Brazil, was thought it was damaged during shipment, because it sounded nothing like it did on the advertising audio clips. So, they’ve made a copy of it with what they thought would be a better. Voice for component values... it sounded 10x better than the Fortin.
Since I’m too old to be an internet troll, or to just play the online douche, I get my facts from my own experience, or by an unbiased direct a/b comparison. Not by random online audio.
Stay safe

I had a similar experience with the 2 Fortin’s I’ve tried (Meshuggah and Natas) and always stress the importance of AB comparisons. I never form any conclusive opinions of any piece of gear anymore until I AB with something I know well. I think the AB comparisons are crucial

I’ve AB’ed the Meshuggah and Natas with other amps that I felt were great and the Meshuggah sounded comparatively very unimpressive, small and toy-like and I felt similarly about the Natas. The Meshuggah was AB’ed with 2 Cameron modded Marshall’s (Jose and Aldrich mods) and a stock ‘80’s Silver Jubilee. All those 3 amps sounded light years better than the Meshuggah

I never tried a Fortin modded Marshall, but have owned a Gower Killer Kali ++ and Rockmonster, which I heard from others are similar and some have told me even better than the Fortin versions. I thought they sounded good (but not amazing) when I first had them, but again the Cameron modded Marshall’s I had at the time smoked them

First off, what type of music do you play? You have a gjika 10n for crying out loud. Everyone had their own preference I get it. Tone is all subjective. I’ve read your descriptions of amps and it’s like reading a thesaurus when it comes to the words you use. I mean you described a VH4 blueface as being an uncompressed amp. WTF?

I like to play many different styles. I’m primarily a classical guitarist, but for electric I play mostly metal ranging from quite modern to more old school metal and also hard rock. I like to have gear that I feel is among the best for what it’s trying to do. That’s why I have amps like the Vibroverb, which I feel has one of the best cleans out there, the Jim Kelley is amazing for bluesy and fusion type leads, Ampeg Gemini II has these warm, hairy cleans, etc, every amp that I own and plan to keep has its place for something. It sounds like you go for different things than I do with gear and that’s fine. To each their own

The Gjika as I've mentioned before is top notch for everything but metal. I never once said it’s good for metal or hard rock. It though has a level of complexity and quality to its tone that none of my other amps quite have. This has nothing to do with style of music, just quality in tone, very 3D and the fullest sounding amp I’ve tried. Although it’s not a metal or hard rock amp, I appreciate any form of top notch tone and in this case it’s really a beautiful thing to experience even though it’s not really an amp for what I typically play, but I also don’t like to pigeonhole amps for styles. It’s just a great amp. For me playing an amp like this with high quality tone is much more inspiring and enjoyable than playing something like a Fortin, which is actually perfectly suited for the style I usually play, but is sterile and uninteresting in tone

I never said my Blueface was uncompressed, but maybe my wording before implied that somehow. It’s certainly less compressed than most amps I’d use for metal, but I think my Wizard MTL is more open. What I did say about (and stand by) is how huge and heavy it sounds. No amp I’ve tried has such a deep bottom end and such evilness to its tone. You gotta get the master up very high on it, but when you do it’s in many ways the biggest and heaviest sounding amp I’ve tried, the Wizard MTL sounds small in comparison, but I’ve kept it because it’s also in comparison tighter, more defined, faster response and hits you harder