George Lynch Wicked Sensation tone on the Axe-Fx III

[RoccoPezzin]

Sounds great!

Thanks dude!

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

When you listen to those isolated tracks it is amazing how ordinary thousand dollar amps and 2-4 amps all mixed together can sound. Room sound doesn't seem to matter as everything is mostly close mic'd. Everything is noisier and you hear the nuances. You really hear that hiss on the lead showing he was probably boosting that already out of control plexi to get that saturation for the legato lines and picking. Goes to show how good and important producers are as the final mix is really the game changer. I can def. hear the difference in the iso Wicked Sensation track compared to what ended up on the album. Album produced version def. has a bit more sizzle and cut. That said, the Axe doesn't have the smoothness of the real deal and it is apparent. Digital artifacts simply are not analog/tube artifacts. Pumped through a power amp and recorded with a mic would change all that for sure though. As usual though, incredible playing. Rocco you are a tasteful and accurate player with great vibrato. Always a treat to listen to your takes on this stuff.

 

[RoccoPezzin]

When you listen to those isolated tracks it is amazing how ordinary thousand dollar amps and 2-4 amps all mixed together can sound. Room sound doesn't seem to matter as everything is mostly close mic'd. Everything is noisier and you hear the nuances. You really hear that hiss on the lead showing he was probably boosting that already out of control plexi to get that saturation for the legato lines and picking. Goes to show how good and important producers are as the final mix is really the game changer. I can def. hear the difference in the iso Wicked Sensation track compared to what ended up on the album. Album produced version def. has a bit more sizzle and cut. That said, the Axe doesn't have the smoothness of the real deal and it is apparent. Digital artifacts simply are not analog/tube artifacts. Pumped through a power amp and recorded with a mic would change all that for sure though. As usual though, incredible playing. Rocco you are a tasteful and accurate player with great vibrato. Always a treat to listen to your takes on this stuff.

thank you so much dude!

 

[Picasso]

WOW! That sounds really good, you are a very good player, would love to hear Lay it Down as well, I really like that song

 

[LAVALLE]

Wow!! Your playing and those tones are all so awesome. Thank you so much for posting!!

 

[Thor1777]

awesome man

 

[flcmcya]

I just watched a George lesson on Mr Scary .......

Very insightful how he thinks and plays........How he has to adapt live as he layers so many guitar parts!

I’ve already morphed this into a bitchin preset with a few add ons!

Thanks Rocco!

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Thank you man, preciate it Not to state the obvious, but you do realize this is the raw track, before mixing/mastering right? If you compare it to the record it's got more bass/low mids and less highs

Your playing is top notch, as ever. The problem is you’ve stepped onto holy ground and expected to walk out unchallenged. I’m joking, a bit

The raw track and the record are very close. Some EQ shift, as you say, but the gain structure is where the difference lies between the original and your interpretation.
The Wicked Sensation sounds are one of my grail tones and I have spent the years since its release allowing it to educate my ears. The reaction of an amp under the hands - how it changes gain and compression with the players touch, is part of the magic. It is the reason some amps are coveted. It is the reason tubes - ancient technology - are not obsolete in guitar amps.
I have not tried an Axe-Fx. It doesn’t sound like the transients are captured or that it changes under touch. Your clip had more gain and saturation than the original IMHO and was a constant level of gain.

It is all good. You clearly have a similar respect and love of the sounds.
Your Frog amp knocks the Axe-Fx for six, so I’m sure you know of the magic I am talking about.

 

[panhead]

The only SLO was on river of love solo you can hear it. Marshall68 and Laney late 60`s dominated most of that recording.

 

[Scotty]

Funny nobody pointed out the maple ESP with an ebony fret board on the REH vid, maple has that "cry" and upper mids thing working that is very distinctive, cuts like a knife when using a plexi. Have that same guitar built by GMW pretty much, weighs a ton and has that same upper mid sizzle.

I thought the Axe sound was awesome but yeah this is holy tone territory for some. If you really want to feel the pressure do the Whitesnake 87 album tone

Yeah isolation sucks and getting bored.........................

 

[paulyc]

The only SLO was on river of love solo you can hear it. Marshall68 and Laney late 60`s dominated most of that recording.

Actually it's on the arppegiated part...

 

[paulyc]

Anyone else seen the "news" that George and Oni are re-recording Wicked Sensation ??? This shit has to stop...

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Anyone else seen the "news" that George and Oni are re-recording Wicked Sensation ??? This shit has to stop...

Seriously! what's the point? I saw Oni a few years back, great show but he clearly struggled in parts because he's 20+ years older. That album is as perfect as it gets. What is there to re-record?? The tones will be modern sampled drum replacement, sound too polished, and all the rawness will be gone. George will also overplay, change, experiment, or use too much phaser. I think he has refound his touch the last few years but still, that original material is untouchable. Leave it already. Nothing good can really come of this.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

The only SLO was on river of love solo you can hear it. Marshall68 and Laney late 60`s dominated most of that recording.

Which Laney is it? Essentially an old Marshal sort of deal ? They were all in the similar headspace in that era. Those old amps are fat but they cut when the volume goes up!

 

[paulyc]

Anyone else seen the "news" that George and Oni are re-recording Wicked Sensation ??? This shit has to stop...

Seriously! what's the point? I saw Oni a few years back, great show but he clearly struggled in parts because he's 20+ years older. That album is as perfect as it gets. What is there to re-record?? The tones will be modern sampled drum replacement, sound too polished, and all the rawness will be gone. George will also overplay, change, experiment, or use too much phaser. I think he has refound his touch the last few years but still, that original material is untouchable. Leave it already. Nothing good can really come of this.

Yes...seriously. I can't believe it either. A waste of time. Like Revolution or T&N...it will suck no doubt.

 

[harddriver]

It’s cool, but it’s really buzzy sounding. Playing is great though.

This REH video was done during the recording of Wicked.

https://youtu.be/Dgk8w78x_84

Thanks man! Yeah love that video, must have watched it a million times! The tone on the record is different from the one in the video though, if you listen to the intro of Wicked Sensation the guitar has got those sizzle-y highs, once the whole band kicks in they're not that obvious. Of course this is an approximation of the tone, I'm using completely different gear and most importantly I'm not George

In the best sounding clips of that REH video, it looks like the Aspen Pitman 1971 Purple Superlead was on in the clips with the Amber Quilted Strat, I misremembered the amp as a 1973 so I changed it to 1971. That amp eventually had problems not sure if the power or Output transformer went. It's kinda crazy listening to the ISO track and the REH vid how little gain George uses, the tone has clarity lots of crunch and just enough compression when he dig s in, it's is just enough to get it there, the rest is George's tenacity, same as EVH's formula, PLEXI Superlead.

George has never kept it a secret... his favorite amps are Plexi's and Superleads, even after all the different amps he's used he is still using the them on the road today.

I went to a Lynch clinic around 2004 and he was using the Randall module lynch box, it was alright but nothing special and the amp hissed horribly, he blamed it on an old effect pedal... he did tell me he thinks he was using a Duncan Distortion at that time, but he also loves PAF's too, he was in a good mood that night and was not arrogant at all with the audience and signed and posed for pictures with everyone who wanted one and did not rush anyone through. I always heard the opposite about his demeanor with fans.

Rocco your vid sounds great though, I always enjoy your stuff. You get some of the best digital tones out there... but i guess it does translate as a digital representation of a analog sound no matter how close it get's.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

It’s cool, but it’s really buzzy sounding. Playing is great though.

This REH video was done during the recording of Wicked.

https://youtu.be/Dgk8w78x_84

Thanks man! Yeah love that video, must have watched it a million times! The tone on the record is different from the one in the video though, if you listen to the intro of Wicked Sensation the guitar has got those sizzle-y highs, once the whole band kicks in they're not that obvious. Of course this is an approximation of the tone, I'm using completely different gear and most importantly I'm not George

In the best sounding clips of that REH video, it looks like the Aspen Pitman 1973 Purple Superlead was on in the clips with the Amber Quilted Strat. That amp eventually had problems not sure if the power or Output transformer went. It's kinda crazy listening to the ISO track and the REH vid how little gain George uses, the tone has clarity lots of crunch and just enough compression when he dig s in, it's is just enough to get it there, the rest is George's tenacity, same as EVH's formula, PLEXI Superlead.

George has never kept it a secret... his favorite amps are Plexi's and Superleads, even after all the different amps he's used he is still using the them on the road today.

I went to a Lynch clinic around 2004 and he was using the Randall module lynch box, it was alright but nothing special and the amp hissed horribly, he blamed it on an old effect pedal... he did tell me he thinks he was using a Duncan Distortion at that time, but he also loves PAF's too, he was in a good mood that night and was not arrogant at all with the audience and signed and posed for pictures with everyone who wanted one and did not rush anyone through. I always heard the opposite about his demeanor with fans.

Rocco your vid sounds great though, I always enjoy your stuff. You get some of the best digital tones out there... but i guess it does translate as a digital representation of a analog sound no matter how close it get's.

The Lynchbox is pretty sweet with his Brahma module and I can get it to sound very close to my JCM800 but the power section doesn't work as hard and that is where the magic comes from for his playing. You are right, his rythm is always just the right amount of gain. He understands that for it to really pop on record, you need to dial gain back a bit. For sure he loves the TS style overdrives as a lead boost though. I love looking at pictures of his live board in the club shows, always seems to be swapping stuff in and out.

 

[Deleted member 13074]

Seriously! what's the point? I saw Oni a few years back, great show but he clearly struggled in parts because he's 20+ years older. That album is as perfect as it gets. What is there to re-record?? The tones will be modern sampled drum replacement, sound too polished, and all the rawness will be gone. George will also overplay, change, experiment, or use too much phaser. I think he has refound his touch the last few years but still, that original material is untouchable. Leave it already. Nothing good can really come of this.

Yes...seriously. I can't believe it either. A waste of time. Like Revolution or T&N...it will suck no doubt.

In complete agreement with you both
Perfect album - best left well alone

 

[paulyc]

It’s cool, but it’s really buzzy sounding. Playing is great though.

This REH video was done during the recording of Wicked.

https://youtu.be/Dgk8w78x_84

Thanks man! Yeah love that video, must have watched it a million times! The tone on the record is different from the one in the video though, if you listen to the intro of Wicked Sensation the guitar has got those sizzle-y highs, once the whole band kicks in they're not that obvious. Of course this is an approximation of the tone, I'm using completely different gear and most importantly I'm not George

In the best sounding clips of that REH video, it looks like the Aspen Pitman 1971 Purple Superlead was on in the clips with the Amber Quilted Strat, I misremembered the amp as a 1973 so I changed it to 1971. That amp eventually had problems not sure if the power or Output transformer went. It's kinda crazy listening to the ISO track and the REH vid how little gain George uses, the tone has clarity lots of crunch and just enough compression when he dig s in, it's is just enough to get it there, the rest is George's tenacity, same as EVH's formula, PLEXI Superlead.

George has never kept it a secret... his favorite amps are Plexi's and Superleads, even after all the different amps he's used he is still using the them on the road today.

I went to a Lynch clinic around 2004 and he was using the Randall module lynch box, it was alright but nothing special and the amp hissed horribly, he blamed it on an old effect pedal... he did tell me he thinks he was using a Duncan Distortion at that time, but he also loves PAF's too, he was in a good mood that night and was not arrogant at all with the audience and signed and posed for pictures with everyone who wanted one and did not rush anyone through. I always heard the opposite about his demeanor with fans.

Rocco your vid sounds great though, I always enjoy your stuff. You get some of the best digital tones out there... but i guess it does translate as a digital representation of a analog sound no matter how close it get's.

Go back and watch it again. There’s a yellow Boss pedal on the floor. Either an OD 1, SD-1, or , less likely, a Turbo OD.

 

[panhead]

The only SLO was on river of love solo you can hear it. Marshall68 and Laney late 60`s dominated most of that recording.

Which Laney is it? Essentially an old Marshal sort of deal ? They were all in the similar headspace in that era. Those old amps are fat but they cut when the volume goes up!

Laney Supergroup 60`s plexi more or less they made 100 watt Tony Iommi etc and a 60 watt both non master volume