Hagen's Tonal Differences? Peter Please Chime In!!!

[Ventura]

Horrible news. I mean, simply horrible. I commit to the Hagen...and now I KNOW there's rack gear coming.

I'm done for. Might as well claim insolvency right now. Game over. This is going to be an expensive year

With a bit of luck, it'll be available only in 2012

My thinking exactly, move it over to the next fiscal year. Gotta keep the expenses to a minimum.

However, GOTSTA say, I never knew this "Hagen" was supposed to be the next "up" from the VH4. Am I saddened by this? I suppose a little bit, I mean, the VH4 is the signature Diezel tone machine. But I get it, it's a business decision, and the Herb's going off in Japan and the like (so I am told), and hey, it is what it is. But all this being said, I decided to go for the Hagen practically amp-unheard due to the fact I had a "feeling" about it... Something told me it was going to be a homerun for what I wanted. Thus far? Not at all worried

V.

 

[freeballinusa]

I ordered a Hagen AND a VH4 ..... No Wondering if I should have just got a Hagen_______ I am into the Losser style for sure too ...
I wonder if CH3 VH4 has something HAGEN Doesn't __

I wish they would make some decent clips.. If Anyone gets one before me in NYC- or MPLS- or LA- or Kiev- -- I'll help record clips all pro and shite..

I might not unbox the VH4_________ ... ...(btw anyone in LA ___want to rent their 2011 vh4 or get together to do a comparison when I receive Hagen?)

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? (the rest of the VH4 is not the "$ shot")

j

 

[Peter Diezel]

Horrible news. I mean, simply horrible. I commit to the Hagen...and now I KNOW there's rack gear coming.

I'm done for. Might as well claim insolvency right now. Game over. This is going to be an expensive year

With a bit of luck, it'll be available only in 2012

My thinking exactly, move it over to the next fiscal year. Gotta keep the expenses to a minimum.

However, GOTSTA say, I never knew this "Hagen" was supposed to be the next "up" from the VH4. Am I saddened by this? I suppose a little bit, I mean, the VH4 is the signature Diezel tone machine. But I get it, it's a business decision, and the Herb's going off in Japan and the like (so I am told), and hey, it is what it is. But all this being said, I decided to go for the Hagen practically amp-unheard due to the fact I had a "feeling" about it... Something told me it was going to be a homerun for what I wanted. Thus far? Not at all worried

V.

My secret homeland ordered many Herbert today

 

[angelspade]

I ordered a Hagen AND a VH4 ..... No Wondering if I should have just got a Hagen_______ I am into the Losser style for sure too ...
I wonder if CH3 VH4 has something HAGEN Doesn't __

I wish they would make some decent clips.. If Anyone gets one before me in NYC- or MPLS- or LA- or Kiev- -- I'll help record clips all pro and shite..

I might not unbox the VH4_________ ... ...(btw anyone in LA ___want to rent their 2011 vh4 or get together to do a comparison when I receive Hagen?)

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? (the rest of the VH4 is not the "$ shot")

j

I think you guys might be misunderstanding Peter's statement regarding the VH4/Hagen relationship a little bit. It seems to me that the Hagen Expands on the basic premis of the VH4...But is not necessarily just and "upgraded" VH4. I own a VH4 and a Herbert, and while the Hagen definately shares that "signature" Diezel tone, it also seems to have its own different flavor (at least from the clips and vids that I have seen/heard). I suspect that those who prefer the subjective "squish", saturation and exagerated low end of the Herbert...Will likely stick with it. I think that those who prefer the tight, super dry and "throaty" compressed nature of the VH4...Will likely stick with that. I would have to spend some time with it to really know, but it seems to me that the Hagen sits somewhere in the middle. I gues my point is...If you already own a VH4, I definately would recommend running out and selling it just because you feel that you need to "upgrade" to a Hagen. Just my opinion.

 

[freeballinusa]

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? haha

 

[angelspade]

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? haha

I really don't know...Perhaps only Peter Diezel could answer this question right now. But being a VH4 owner and listening to the clips and watching the videos, here is what my ears are telling me:

The Hagen is:

1. not quite as "tight" as the VH4, while still being articulate with an aggressive, percussive "attack"

2. More open, far less compressed than the VH4

3. Slightly more more saturated than the VH4

4. Tone more based in the low mids that the VH4

....Just my opinion.

 

[Ventura]

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? haha

I really don't know...Perhaps only Peter Diezel could answer this question right now. But being a VH4 owner and listening to the clips and watching the videos, here is what my ears are telling me:

The Hagen is:

1. not quite as "tight" as the VH4, while still being articulate with an aggressive, percussive "attack"

2. More open, far less compressed than the VH4

3. Slightly more more saturated than the VH4

4. Tone more based in the low mids that the VH4

....Just my opinion.

With kindness and respect, all speculation...

I think it's more of a players amp with all the best of their most loved amps' aspects rolled into one. It'll tear holes into the sonic palette as we know it today.

But in the meantime, NO problems with a little dreaming now is there

V.

 

[freeballinusa]

Angelspade, I Tend to Agree with your inference and all of that leads me to think I would like Hagen more

 

[Ventura]

Horrible news. I mean, simply horrible. I commit to the Hagen...and now I KNOW there's rack gear coming.

I'm done for. Might as well claim insolvency right now. Game over. This is going to be an expensive year

With a bit of luck, it'll be available only in 2012

My thinking exactly, move it over to the next fiscal year. Gotta keep the expenses to a minimum.

However, GOTSTA say, I never knew this "Hagen" was supposed to be the next "up" from the VH4. Am I saddened by this? I suppose a little bit, I mean, the VH4 is the signature Diezel tone machine. But I get it, it's a business decision, and the Herb's going off in Japan and the like (so I am told), and hey, it is what it is. But all this being said, I decided to go for the Hagen practically amp-unheard due to the fact I had a "feeling" about it... Something told me it was going to be a homerun for what I wanted. Thus far? Not at all worried

V.

My secret homeland ordered many Herbert today

I think it's fair to say your 'secret homeland' isn't TOO big of a secret.

Glad you sized up a big order Poppa!! Here's to success in the heart, soul, and future

V.

 

[angelspade]

My Big Question How is Hagen CH3 different then VH4 CH3? haha

I really don't know...Perhaps only Peter Diezel could answer this question right now. But being a VH4 owner and listening to the clips and watching the videos, here is what my ears are telling me:

The Hagen is:

1. not quite as "tight" as the VH4, while still being articulate with an aggressive, percussive "attack"

2. More open, far less compressed than the VH4

3. Slightly more more saturated than the VH4

4. Tone more based in the low mids that the VH4

....Just my opinion.

With kindness and respect, all speculation...

I think it's more of a players amp with all the best of their most loved amps' aspects rolled into one. It'll tear holes into the sonic palette as we know it today.

But in the meantime, NO problems with a little dreaming now is there

V.

It may or may not be purely speculation. Obviously I will wait until I play the amp to pass any judgements...But I have heard several clips, seen the videos, ect...And as I said, the statements I made are "what my ears are telling me" at present. I could be wrong.

 

[freeballinusa]

It's the same inference from the examples I am making__ We will see!

 

[TCRS]

The Hagen has a really complex sound - fast, fat and raw...

Ummm cool video, but you are wearing a shirt that looks like it says " I super gay".

 

[Niilz]

Ummm cool video, but you are wearing a shirt that looks like it says " I super gay".

...

It says "I support gay marriage as long as the chicks are hot" - DEAN guitars marketing bs.

 

[Niilz]

This would all be solved with some high quality audio of each channel with no vocals or drums or multitracking or any extra stuff....(looking at you nilz...)

...high quality audio recording needs at least a good speaker choice for the amp and I still have to wait for the G-12K-100 cabinet. The Mesa Boogie cabinets (thiele w/ EVM12L and Rectifier 4x12 w/ Vintage 30) I used so far, do not fit very well.

And it'll take some time to find the right sweet spots in the amp-settings as well as the right microphone and the right preamp.


Please be patient


So far the least bad setup was Hagen to 4x12 Recto w/ Vintage 30 to AKG C414 to Brent Averill, but I hope (and guess) that Hagen to frontload G12-K-100 to C414 or Royer 121 to ADL 600 will give the most information about the whole sound design concept of the amp.

Since it will take a few more weeks until the Diezel cabinet arrives, I started test recordings w/ Vintage 30s and since I am in a "real" production situation I am - right now - not overly interested in guitar tracks without a song. For me - so far - it is more important how the Hagen fits in the mix.

Maybe - if the Diezel cab arrives soon - I can record some audio clips without the mix sound in mind, that are more repesentative, but so far everything we record with the amp has a strong Vintage 30 coloration with soft compression of the Brent Averill micpre.

Btw: If you listen to the first seconds of my last youtube video, you can hear one track and then a few seconds two tracks without the playback...

 

[Ventura]

Ummm cool video, but you are wearing a shirt that looks like it says " I super gay".

...

It says "I support gay marriage as long as the chicks are hot" - DEAN guitars marketing bs.

Not that there'd be anything WRONG with that....

V.

 

[~Abstract~]

Does anyone know what the tonal differences are suppposed to be between the new Hagen and say the VH4 or the Herbert, especially in channels 2-4 on each respectively?

The Hagen is different than, let's say the VH4. It may also be much different than, let's say the Schmidt. You could even go further in that the Hagen is also different than, let's say the Herbert. However if you dare you could even venture out and, let's say it is different than the Herbert. I would also like to add that the Hagen is very much different than, let's say Einstein. But in the very end you could logically conclude that the Hagen is very different than the Pignose - it's a Diezel.

Hope that helps the cause.

No I don't think that helped anyone.

More and more I come to understand you are ABSOLUTELY worthless.


It's different than a pignose? Really? You actually wasted time to type that out?




Did the shortbus not stop at your house today? You had to come grace us with your presence rather than go to your Adult Education classes?

 

[Niilz]

at least his comment wasn't mocking my genuine interest in the sound of the Hagen with a popcorn eating smiley....

hey reza - no offense, sorry!

...I can understand your "genuine interest" very well, but I do not the have a Hagen promotion employment.
I am just a customer and I use that amp in a studio situation. If this leads to sound files and they help, it seems to be a win win situation for all. If the sound files do not help...

 

[Niilz]

 

[glassjaw7]

Ok, so Hagen is a modern beast with some VH4 qualities; but can it do the classic stuff? It sure sounded good with the tele in that video.

 

[Ventura]

Ok, so Hagen is a modern beast with some VH4 qualities; but can it do the classic stuff? It sure sounded good with the tele in that video.

Betcha Channels 1 and 2 are money for this stuff

V.