The Metal for sale here is mine. It's very different from the later MTLs. The earlier Metal is much closer to the very first version, single input, of the Modern Classic, which is what Hetfield used for the Garage Inc. Main differences between the Metal and the single input MC are a "bright" control(extremely useful along with the presence if you're using the amp at low or high volume) and a bit more low end punch on the Metal.Really? Guess that’s what happens when you assume! Thanks for the clarity
I had a Wizard MC50.
I don't think it's accurate to say that other amps won't hold a candle to the one I had. Plenty of them did.
Naylor is right up there in build quality, as well as tone.
The Butterslax I have right now has kind of the same thing going on as that Wizard did, albeit with a more versatile clean channel, more similar to the Modern Classic II. They both had clean, mean, and meaner modes. The difference to me is in the attack and voicing. The Wizard is razor sharp and open, bright and tight. The Slax has a lil more chug to it, and this heft in the low mids that almost makes it sound like comparing a cello to a violin, if that makes any sense. More weight to the single notes.
I hear a lot about how the Wizards sound bigger than other amps. Not true. I had that amp at the same time as 4-5 other amps. It just sounded like a really good JCM800, with tighter attack and more gain. I will say, it was 50 watts, and it held up with the 100 watters just fine. Well, until the Rev F or JMP 100 got cranked. Then they became massive in a way the Wizard could not.
The effects loop was nifty, too, with the send and return knobs that slightly affected the tone.
Anyway, I dig the Wizard, a lot. I'd love to have another one. The price is a huge deterrent.
The electronic circuits aren't magic and the build quality is being done by plenty of other folks for less.
I agree about the attack and articulation. I can't with the girth/punch, but I believe you're right that it might be down to the 50 watts vs 100. Still, when cranked, it remarkably sounded the same and remained very stout. The Naylor got creamier. The Rev F and JMP 100 grew elephant balls and thumped you in the chest. Really makes me want to try a 100 watt Wizard, Modern Classic II would be the one I'd go for next.I agree in the sense that whether they hold a candle to other amps is 100% personal preference, and for mine it's no contest when speaking of things like attack (especially on the low notes) articulation, purity of the tone/notes, girth, and punch with the exception of a loop modded Mark IIB, Mark III blue stripe and green stripe I just picked up, Splawn QR, and an old VHT D60. They are in the ballpark, but still not on the same level. I've owned 5 Wizards; 2 100w MCIIs, 100w 2016 MTL, 100w 2020 Hybrid, 2021 MC25 and less the MC25, they all punched harder and moved more air than any other amp I've owned, period. The Wallop, punch, sledgehammer to the speaker effect is unmatched compared to the 30 or so amps I've had next to them. There are plenty of amps that sound bigger, but none that punch as hard IMHO. I much prefer the MCII to the MTL and Hybrid. Maybe the 50w Wizards don't punch as hard, but the 4 100 watters I've had hit harder than anything else I've owned, and by a wide margin.
I had the Naylor Duel 100, in my avatar (the very one that just recently sold in the emporium). Lovely beast that, to me, is the perfect compromise between modern/vintage, loose/tight, thick/bright...basically just a great sounding and feeling amp capable of pretty much anything. You won't be missing much if you go SD60 vs Duel. You don't get the clean channel, but you get the bright switch on the gain channel (it's on the clean channel on the Duel) and a bit more punch. Easily one of my favorite amps of all time. It's all the good things from a Bogner Shiva, Dual Rec and Marshall without the bad stuff.The girth/punch is there in spades on the 100w Wizards. I feel the MCII has even more perceived punch because of where the mids are placed vs. the MTL. The 100w MCII won't have the same 3D thing as the Recto, but it just hits harder in the low end. You will feel the percussion in your body...it moves air and makes the speakers dance big time.
What Naylor did/do you have?
I did sell the Wizards only because I guilt myself into selling because of the amount of money sitting here as a bedroom player. I stupidly sold two MCIIs which have been my favorite amps to date. I will get another soon. Right now I'm playing a green stripe MKIII that so far is blowing my mind, and have my eye on a Naylor. Just returned the new series II D120, didn't like it at all, and am returning a series II D60. It is pretty good but something about the mids and highs I'm not in love with.
It certainly sounds good in the clips and videos I've watched. I'm extremely pleased with my Smallbox though.
It’s actually pretty good but like most sounds better with a little volume. It definitely doesn’t have a light switch MV.It certainly sounds good in the clips and videos I've watched. I'm extremely pleased with my Smallbox though.
How's the volume taper, is it like most Mesas, zero or loud as hell?
It’s pretty immediate on the bold setting and a little more forgiving on the variac setting. It’s definitely closer to the feel of a Wizard than the DR though. It seems pretty far departure from the DR I remember. TBO they really should have named it something completely different IMO. The loop is great too.How's the feel/attack compared to the Dual Rec and Wizard? I'm guessing somewhere in between?
I have a Badlander as well as a MTL. I think the Badlander is outstanding. It is my favorite "Rectifier". But, the Wizard just has a feel to it that is somewhat addictive!! I really dig both amps and they both can fit the bill in a band mix.
Hmmmm. All this Badlander talk has me thinking...Agreed with the others on the Badlander and Naylor. Naylor would be one of my top 5 for high gain amps. The Badlander is one of the few non-vintage amps I’ve kept. They really got it right with that one. It has I think the most growl of any amp I’ve played and also one of the tightest amps I’ve had despite being in the rectifier family. It’s great to finally to see a keeper worthy amp that’s not hard to replace if needed