Help me buy my next amp - Wizard/Diezel/Friedman

braintheory

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So, I owned a Dual Rectifier back in the day. I was not a huge fan of that amp after discovering the Diezel VH4. Sold the Dual Rectifier and Mesa Cab and never looked back after I got the Diezel stack. But I am open to them, my experience has been very meh with Mesas though.

What's your opinion on the Wizard MTL since it looks like you own one? I'm curious since you seem to be recommending the Naylor, Badlander, or an earlier Dual Rec.
Yes, I own all 4 of those amps (Wizard MTL, Naylor, Badlander, and Triple Rev F/C). They are all great, just different flavors. The Naylor would be my favorite of those 4 if I could only pick one. The MTL has the hardest punch and rock solid quality to the notes and very open and clear sounding, but a bit dry and hollow sounding in the mids. It doesn’t quite growl like a Marshall, more like a Hiwatt/Marshall hybrid. I’d recommend the amp mostly most rhythmical type stuff rather than lead or melodic single note stuff. Still a really awesome amp though and at volume it’s hard not be very impressed by it due to its its punch and way of moving air. The Naylor isn’t super far behind what the Wizard excels at, every bit as good clarity imo, but more warmth, growl, easier to play/nicer feel. It’s what the Friedman’s and Bogner’s should’ve been imo. Badlander will be the most modern sounding one, tightest one, most growl, also very nice feel, but not as organic or warm sounding as the other options. And those early Recto’s will have the most low mids, that wall of sound, very fat, but also with that looser recto sag
 

Emg77

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Im running my MTL through a rear loaded Bogner Uberkab loaded with Scumback M75's. Sounds outstanding ! To me at least. Lol.
 

Wizard of Ozz

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I hated the Alnico Creams with my Wizards. Too warm and smooth. I've tried many different speakers with my amps and right now I have 3 Wizard cabs loaded with Creamback H75/V30 combo and one loaded with Fane F70s .


That's because you didn't use the special magical RizzerdaJizzer spell:

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Alnico Creams (and pretty much any Alnico speaker for that matter) SUCK ASS for metal. The people using them are the same people using their AC-30 TopBoost for metal... talking about how "mean" they sound.

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Fordman65

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I hated the Alnico Creams with my Wizards. Too warm and smooth. I've tried many different speakers with my amps and right now I have 3 Wizard cabs loaded with Creamback H75/V30 combo and one loaded with Fane F70s .
That's how I would describe them as well. I really cranked the presence on my MTL with them. I actually really liked it with my Scumbacks, which are a variant/clone of 70s marshall black backs.
 
Yes, I own all 4 of those amps (Wizard MTL, Naylor, Badlander, and Triple Rev F/C). They are all great, just different flavors. The Naylor would be my favorite of those 4 if I could only pick one. The MTL has the hardest punch and rock solid quality to the notes and very open and clear sounding, but a bit dry and hollow sounding in the mids. It doesn’t quite growl like a Marshall, more like a Hiwatt/Marshall hybrid. I’d recommend the amp mostly most rhythmical type stuff rather than lead or melodic single note stuff. Still a really awesome amp though and at volume it’s hard not be very impressed by it due to its its punch and way of moving air. The Naylor isn’t super far behind what the Wizard excels at, every bit as good clarity imo, but more warmth, growl, easier to play/nicer feel. It’s what the Friedman’s and Bogner’s should’ve been imo. Badlander will be the most modern sounding one, tightest one, most growl, also very nice feel, but not as organic or warm sounding as the other options. And those early Recto’s will have the most low mids, that wall of sound, very fat, but also with that looser recto sag
Great write-up. Do you think the MTL is a potential replacement for the VH4 in a 2-guitar band situation or are they just different animals? I've had trouble feeling like the VH4 fit in a 2 guitar mix in a band situation. Playing by myself I love it, but add a band, and I am having issues.

I will need to look at the Naylor. You like that amp for single not lead stuff? I imagine they are comparable to the MCII with the Wizard or am I wrong?

I will also check out the Badlander. Seems like a great amp at an affordable price!

What year early Recto would I be looking for?
 

Smashedguitarist

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I hated the Alnico Creams with my Wizards. Too warm and smooth. I've tried many different speakers with my amps and right now I have 3 Wizard cabs loaded with Creamback H75/V30 combo and one loaded with Fane F70s .
Tell me how you would differentiate the mtl with mine? or mcII or hybrid for that matter. I love the simplicity and rawness of mine. When i first got it, I thought it was really bright, but now i have it dialed more balanced. I can't imagine liking another amp more, but at same time, I gotta try your others when I get some time.
 

mhenson42

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Tell me how you would differentiate the mtl with mine? or mcII or hybrid for that matter. I love the simplicity and rawness of mine. When i first got it, I thought it was really bright, but now i have it dialed more balanced. I can't imagine liking another amp more, but at same time, I gotta try your others when I get some time.

the MTL is more low mid and has more gain saturation and bottom end. The MC2 is closer to the W800, but still a little different in the voicing as the W800 has more Marshall characteristic, obviously. Wizards are all bright, tight, non compressed and clear amps… which is why I like them. Anytime you want to check them out… let me know.
 

LPMojoGL

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Great write-up. Do you think the MTL is a potential replacement for the VH4 in a 2-guitar band situation or are they just different animals? I've had trouble feeling like the VH4 fit in a 2 guitar mix in a band situation. Playing by myself I love it, but add a band, and I am having issues.

I will need to look at the Naylor. You like that amp for single not lead stuff? I imagine they are comparable to the MCII with the Wizard or am I wrong?

I will also check out the Badlander. Seems like a great amp at an affordable price!

What year early Recto would I be looking for?
Naylor has some of the best, if not the best, lead tones of any amp.
 

MetalHeadMike

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I'm finally getting the chance to jam on a Wizard (MCII) this weekend and I'm stoked about it :D


I kinda hope I don't like it because I don't wanna end up having to buy a 5 thousand dollar amp :LOL:
If the D60 was your go to for all those years, I'd put money on you messing your trousers when you try the MCII. Try a boost in front of it for sure.
 

braintheory

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Great write-up. Do you think the MTL is a potential replacement for the VH4 in a 2-guitar band situation or are they just different animals? I've had trouble feeling like the VH4 fit in a 2 guitar mix in a band situation. Playing by myself I love it, but add a band, and I am having issues.

I will need to look at the Naylor. You like that amp for single not lead stuff? I imagine they are comparable to the MCII with the Wizard or am I wrong?

I will also check out the Badlander. Seems like a great amp at an affordable price!

What year early Recto would I be looking for?
I think the Wizard and vh4 are more their own animals. The Naylor does single note lead stuff well, but I have other amps I generally prefer if that’s the priority. There is maybe some overlap with the Wizard and Naylor (both sound organic, articulate, and big with some Marshall-y characteristics to them), but I think more their own things. I don’t really know Recto’s too well by year, but mine I think is from 1992 (triple Rev F that Mike B did the C mod to)
 
Decided to go with the Wizard MTL.

Any recommendations on a Wizard 4x12 to go with the MTL? I was thinking Greenbacks with V30s.

I have a Diezel 4x12 RL with V30s with my VH4 and I like it. I've liked V30s a lot but I'm open to other speakers.
 

mhenson42

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Decided to go with the Wizard MTL.

Any recommendations on a Wizard 4x12 to go with the MTL? I was thinking Greenbacks with V30s.

I have a Diezel 4x12 RL with V30s with my VH4 and I like it. I've liked V30s a lot but I'm open to other speakers.

Awesome. Did you order a new one?

I like v30/creamback H75 in my Wizard cabs... I have 3 loaded that way and a 4th with Fane F70s
 
Awesome. Did you order a new one?

I like v30/creamback H75 in my Wizard cabs... I have 3 loaded that way and a 4th with Fane F70s
I'll be ordering a new Wizard MTL MkII as soon as I get paid again here shortly. $5.5k is insane money to spend and a risk to take but I have not come across another amp that is as appealing to me as this one. I'm trying out a buddies MCII tomorrow. If I like the MTL enough I may part with my beloved VH4. We'll see!
 

ErikT

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I'll be ordering a new Wizard MTL MkII as soon as I get paid again here shortly. $5.5k is insane money to spend and a risk to take but I have not come across another amp that is as appealing to me as this one. I'm trying out a buddies MCII tomorrow. If I like the MTL enough I may part with my beloved VH4. We'll see!
Congrats dude! It's a killer amp!
 

anomaly

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I will say that I don't know what the fuck chewy or hairy or any of that shit means. But I trust braintheory's tastes enough to jump when he says...lol
Chewy is kinda like sag in a way but without the looseness, it's the way a note responds to pick attack, it's like a bit of give in the tone. If a tone is hairy, that means it has a lot of top end sizzle, it's pretty easy to identify.
 

Devin

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I'm finally getting the chance to jam on a Wizard (MCII) this weekend and I'm stoked about it :D


I kinda hope I don't like it because I don't wanna end up having to buy a 5 thousand dollar amp :LOL:

Just wanted to come back and post my thoughts on the McII i played - fantastic fucking amp. Sounded amazing through my Sound City 4x12 (so much so that the guy that owned the amp said he preferred my cab over the Friedman 4x12 he’d been using with it) - just incredibly punchy.

For reference, we also had my Sound City Master Lead 50, a vintage 100w Marshall Superbass, and a custom made Welagen Dumble clone and the MCII easily held up when compared to those amps. Imagine a vintage Marshall with modern punch....that’s basically what the MCII was to me. Definitely one of my favorite amps i’ve ever played.
 
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