Hendrix or SRV Who???

[Exo-metal]

The best rules are the ones you learn and then forget and just let it rip. Music is nothing without the heart.

 

[braintheory]

The best rules are the ones you learn and then forget and just let it rip. Music is nothing without the heart.

I 1000% agree and the music I enjoy most I feel does that. I’m very critical if anything when I feel the music becomes to calculated in its musical ideas. To me Magic Sam’s Boogie is a great example of this. I never thought of how many chords it has

 

[Metalhex]

Sounds more like Eddie, like Hot For Teacher.

 

[Exo-metal]

I guess everyone hears things differently.

 

[turboblues]

I don't know why you compared this guy with Hendrix because he didn't play one note of soloing. Might as well compare Andrés Segovia with Kerry King. Hendrix wasn't even a strict blues player. And Hendrix was at his best in his live performances, I guess you only listened to his studio recordings.

 

[braintheory]

I don't know why you compared this guy with Hendrix because he didn't play one note of soloing. Might as well compare Andrés Segovia with Kerry King. Hendrix wasn't even a strict blues player. And Hendrix was at his best in his live performances, I guess you only listened to his studio recordings.

I admit it I was being hypocritical making this thread with a clip bait-y title since I complain about that lol. Was being over the top. But the focus wasn't meant to be about soloing here anyway. Was really just trying to bring attention to this lesser appreciated guy and it's too bad Rhett Shull made that clip recently because this had nothing to do with that for me. This clip was live for Magic Sam as well fwiw. I could discuss better Segovia since classical is my main thing, but this isn't really the forum for that. Whatever, maybe some guys here will like the clip and others won't and will just get pissed that I dare put him in the same conversation as Hendrix. God forbid I don't worship him as a guitar god or that I don't get blown away by all of EVH's leads

 

[braintheory]

U really are not hearing Hendrix the right way Sam. The vast amount of change that went into his career and performances really is more than a few hits that aren't enough of a window into the monster he became for his time. Jimi was wayy ahead. His freeform led the way for many....it's more about what he didn't play than what he did and in that he was killing it, especially for his time.

To me the right way to listen is to simply hear the quality of the music itself and the playing and not worry about necessarily what he did with his personal life, career or what other's felt or got influenced by him. Just listen to the music and either it moves you or it doesn't. And to be clear I do like Hendrix. To me his cover of Watchtower is him at his best that I've heard in quality of musical ideas and leadwork (one of the most iconic guitar solos for me). One of the best and very few actually good uses of wah. That was great and then I heard a few songs (live and studio) that sounded good to me, but there are just so many more players that did much more for me. On the other side, maybe some guys here aren't listening to Magic Sam the right way (and he came before a lot of players too), but I don't think there is really a right way. Anyway, like you said, no need to get too critical. I think the Magic Sam piece is also just fun and has good drive. As a classical player it's cool to see finger picking done in such a different way that I myself would have to learn and get used to. I would probably have to get rid of my nails to play like that. Sounds like a more fleshy tone he's getting. Not saying it's my favorite guitar playing or music ever, but something refreshing to me

There's lots of nuances that make it cool. The way he uses the bridge pickup and then picks near the neck to get that cocked wah sound, his unique attack and overall sound. His sense of timing. Which notes he mutes and lets ring. Rhett Shull doesn't talk about all these things. It's in some ways a very simple song, but in other ways complex and nuanced and that's the noteworthy part. Not what chords he plays or to analyze is that way. Deceptively simple maybe, which is what great players at anything tend to do: make difficult things seem easy. I wrote it off as well, but kept hearing it played more and more at the guitar store I used to work at and it grew on me over time. I would bet Satch Boogie by Satriani is probably in some way influenced by this too whether he'd admit it or not

 

[braintheory]

I guess the answer to your question is simply Hendrix and SRV are Rock and Roll royalty...two guys that left an indelible mark on music history and your guy is unfortunately forgotten history.

Yes we all know the answer to that and that's my point. He seems strangely underrated to me. It may have been better to just compare him to other strictly blues players, but using Hendrix or SRV gets more attention here lol

 

[CarlF]

I’m just having some fun, no need too get too bent out shape. I found out about this guy around 2018, way before that video came out. I don’t care how many chords it has. The fact that he can say that much with just one makes it all the better to me. I don’t listen to purple haze, but thanks anyway. I like Hendrix, just don’t love it. We’re all allowed to have our opinions. I don’t care also if people hate on my favorite players or pieces of gear. There’s no firm attachment for me. I’m open to liking other stuff more if I can find it. Good to be open minded. I’m happy to hear if others have interesting reasons to hate on what I like. It’s all good

Ultimately I just want music that moves me, so if one chord can do it that’s amazing. And there’s so much more to the piece than just the chord. There’s the rhythm, feel, tone, the way the energy builds. Maybe consider that as well

Check out Rory Gallagher. Rory used those type of chord techniques on a few of his tunes to great effect.

 

[thegame]

He died at 32 as well from a heart attack, so same story really. I think he has IT much more to me than those guys both in technique, musicality and feel. He just somehow fell under the radar, so we have the familiarity bias with those other guys imo. Also his technique is better before these guys even came around. He didn’t stand on the shoulders of the giants those guys did

Whose shoulders was Hendrix standing on again? I understand he was a sideman before stepping out on his own, leading the Experience band. When he did, his entire style, persona and vibe seemed fully realized and like literally nothing else seen or heard before. Sure he had his influences, but if you think Hendrix wasn't a game changer, I don't know what to say.

 

[Devin]

I thought it was cool, but nothing mindblowing

I checked out one of his other tunes that I enjoyed even more:

 

[IronHeadSlim]

Buddy Guyrototype Hendrix

 

[CarlF]

Buddy Guyrototype Hendrix

Not quite. Studying Jimi since the early 70s. Seems the only thing he got from Guy was an over-bending technique.
Having seen Buddy Guy in concert shortly after SRV died, it is to this day the worst shuck and jive bullshit show. He simply blew it out the ass in many ways that night.

 

[creep66]

Magic sam is an asshole who used to beat my mother. Also, one time I was supposed to go to the carnival with my friends and I didnt get to cause I had to polish Sam's shoes while I heard him fucking my mother in the next room. I couldnt have the radio on either cause it would "disturb Sam's genius."

When the shoes were done he came out of my mom's room buttoning his pants and fixing his belt. He took the shoes, patted me on the head and left.

Fuck that guy, Hendrix wouldnt have done that to me and SRV probably would have got me high.

 

[braintheory]

Whose shoulders was Hendrix standing on again? I understand he was a sideman before stepping out on his own, leading the Experience band. When he did, his entire style, persona and vibe seemed fully realized and like literally nothing else seen or heard before. Sure he had his influences, but if you think Hendrix wasn't a game changer, I don't know what to say.

I was pulling a VESMedic in this thread with exaggeration and clickbait and I guess it worked even stronger that I was anticipating lol, so I’ll cool it with that. Not saying he wasn’t a game changer. I wouldn’t say that at all. Really brought his name up more as an attention grabber for the thread, but either way I do enjoy Magic Sam’s Boogie more than most Hendrix stuff other than his Watchtower cover, which I admit is one of the finest examples I know of in making lemonade out of lemons. Taking a meh song and turning into something awesome. I think that is a great sign of an artist when they can do that. Arguing about EVH or Hendrix being super influential gamechangers is not something I’ve done. Arguing that there has been better playing and music, on the hand, guilty as charged. I value the latter more. Who got there first is a matter of time and it’s not a race. I wanna hear the actual best quality examples. This is partly why the first fuzz pedals made aren’t the very most sought after ones despite who’s used them. Better sounding ones came out a little later

 

[braintheory]

Check out Rory Gallagher. Rory used those type of chord techniques on a few of his tunes to great effect.

Rory Gallagher has very good stuff, I already know his music, but you’re totally missing the point here (and he sounds nothing like Magic Sam). The chords themselves are not at all what makes this interesting. Let’s get past that. It’s literally everything but that. The groove, feel, sound, flow, attack, articulation, vibrato on certain notes. He’s taking a very simple musical idea and doing really cool stuff with it that’s more sophisticated than what might meet the eye at first and I literally don’t know anyone that can do it like him. When I used to work at this guitar store in Manhattan there were actually a few really famous guitarists that came in (not gonna mention names out of respect, but most of you guys would’ve heard of them) who would play Magic Sam’s Boogie and totally botch it. They had the right notes, but missing everything else and just sounded awful. I won’t exaggerate anymore and say he’s better than Hendrix or SRV, but you guys I think are totally not getting it. This other guy who worked at the store played it much better than those famous guys and kinda embarrassed them, but he was humble about it and still admits he still couldn’t play it nearly as well as Magic Sam. A lot of guys actually used to come in to the store just to hear him play Magic Sam’s Boogie because it was so rare to hear it played even half way decently. This guy who played it well also gigged with GE Smith a few times fwiw and GE could’ve chose anyone he wanted to basically. The devil is in the details. I’m not even a blues guy at all, but I appreciate quality when it’s there

 

[Dino 939]

i paused it right in the middle to see if that drummer is actually playing with his wallet on his snare which it indeed looks like he is, i didnt turn it back on though cause that riff was seriously annoying and getting on my nerves

Agreed, he’s emulating a brass section/Sax vibes..

 

[Dino 939]

I was pulling a VESMedic in this thread with exaggeration and clickbait and I guess it worked even stronger that I was anticipating lol, so I’ll cool it with that. Not saying he wasn’t a game changer. I wouldn’t say that at all. Really brought his name up more as an attention grabber for the thread, but either way I do enjoy Magic Sam’s Boogie more than most Hendrix stuff other than his Watchtower cover, which I admit is one of the finest examples I know of in making lemonade out of lemons. Taking a meh song and turning into something awesome. I think that is a great sign of an artist when they can do that. Arguing about EVH or Hendrix being super influential gamechangers is not something I’ve done. Arguing that there has been better playing and music, on the hand, guilty as charged. I value the latter more. Who got there first is a matter of time and it’s not a race. I wanna hear the actual best quality examples. This is partly why the first fuzz pedals made aren’t the very most sought after ones despite who’s used them. Better sounding ones came out a little later

Even Dylan calls it Jimi’s song.
Man Hendrix had all the boxes checked but was a VERY depressed and flat broke man when he passed away.
I suggest you look into some of the legit biographies written about him that go into details about his record/signing royalties etc
deal with that infamous evil manager.
Plus he, like the others that died at 27, realized
the party was over and that the boat left the dock for them to recapture that…
I bet he was going into the classical musicland next, especially with those incredible fingers!!!

 

[braintheory]

Even Dylan calls it Jimi’s song.
Man Hendrix had all the boxes checked but was a VERY depressed and flat broke man when he passed away.
I suggest you look into some of the legit biographies written about him that go into details about his record/signing royalties etc
deal with that infamous evil manager.
Plus he, like the others that died at 27, realized
the party was over and that the boat left the dock for them to recapture that…
I bet he was going into the classical musicland next, especially with those incredible fingers!!!

Would’ve been interesting for sure to see what would’ve happened if went more classical in direction. Rhoads did the same until he left us. Maybe that depression and tough life helped him come up with his best work

 

[Markedman]

i just try and picture hearing this in 1968 or whenever when three years prior the heaviest thing would have been the four tops or some shit, it must have been pretty crazy

Machine Gun! Come on now! Nobody, I mean nobody ever touched this! By far the greatest use of feedback the history of recorded guitar, forever to be unmatched.