I need to address the Cameron reverse engeneering thing

[Rufus Leaking]

Funny how hard it is to get a hold of Mark...and then how easy it is to get a hold of Mark.

you have to wonder if this whole thing is maybe just all sexual?

I nipple thought of him in any way butt professionally

 

[cloudnine]

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If I could just somehow get a hold of Mark I could be happy...but it's very hard.

Just make some offhand comment somewhere that you found out which resistors he uses or something. You'll get a call in 20 mins or less or your amp is free.

 

[Anonymous]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

The dumbest part of this whole thing is that Mark shouldn't give a crap about a guy reverse engineering his amp mod and then making one for himself and a friend. He's not selling them commercially!

And frankly, even if he was going to make a business of it, he could just change a couple minor things and as long as he wasn't using Cameron's name there would be nothing he could do about it except cry because there is no possible way he's gonna get a patent on changing some parts on a public domain design, nor could he come up with the scratch to defend a patent if he was granted one.

The whole thing is silly. There is nothing new under the sun in terms of tube amp design except things like Egnater's modular design, which has nothing to do with the actual tone. That is why I decided to go open source with my amp design and just provide the schems, layouts, etc. Have at it I say... Amps sales are more based on marketing/hype frankly...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Cameron's mods have been reverse engineered on the Metro forum (and similar) for a long time.

I've never seen a thread at Metro with his mods reverse engineered. He is active over there and I'm sure he would have raised hell about it. Point me to the thread(s). I don't believe what you're saying is right/true...

Steve

I know 2 forumites personally (friends in real life) that post there and got the schematics from other members.
It's all on the d-low
I've even come across them on other DIY amp and pedal forums while researching.
Getting the schematics isn't hard...making it sound identical is.

WAS on the d-low............

Sure...

Steve

Honestly, I don't need any soup. I have everything I need to re-create these mods if I wanted to, but I don't want to.

Steve

 

[stephen sawall]

"Amps sales are more based on marketing/hype frankly..."

I think you hit it on the head there. How is your head coming along ?

 

[Anonymous]

Think about it ..... if you had someone take apart your car and build you a other one do you think it would be the same ? Do you think you would save any money?

Maybe not, but you're talking apples and oranges here. To make some mods to an existing Marshall design if you could reverse engineer an existing mod you like would have trememdous value if you want that mod because the originator is no longer doing them and even when he was it was difficult and took ridiculous amounts of time to actually get an amp modded by him. Hence the 35 PMs to JB. This isn't like building a car from scratch, it is modding an existing platform...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

"Amps sales are more based on marketing/hype frankly..."

I think you hit it on the head there. How is your head coming along ?

Its coming along - still doing some CAD design for the layouts so people have everything they need to re-create it if they want. I'm targeting completion/tweaked by Octoiber...

Steve

 

[jonny toetags]

So, as I said, there are no schematics of Mark's full mods on Metro, right? This all sounds a bit fishy to me. If you really have the schematics or can get them, post them and I'll tell you if they are accurate.

Steve

I'm not getting into any online internet battle
Not out to prove anything either...especially getting myself or other friends in trouble.

Hell..I don't even like Cameron's...I'm a Fortin or Caswell man myself

 

[Shark Diver]

The amount of people who are into playing that do not buy Fender / Marshall / Mesa is very small. The time or economy of a release is a large factor. There is always a big wave of buys. Followed by a bunch of people selling the "new" amp because it is not for them for many different reasons.

Most of these amp that are in the $2000 range max out around 150 sold. After that it slows down a lot or dies. The amps that cost more than that even smaller. The window of opportunity is very small. Not many go beyond that.

Funny thing is, just off the top of my head I only know one guy using a Marshall, about 3 using Mesa and no one using a Fender. And I'm sure there are more than 150 Herberts or VH4s, XTCs or Shiva's, SLOs, etc...

I understand your point though about the try it and not for me thing. Which would leave me to suspect (if I hadn't heard rumours of addiction - but they are just unfounded rumours) that some of the companies who keep their product scarce do so to inflate the value/reputation. And yes that could make Mark big money someday - just ask Dumble. How much to get him to build you an amp? $20K? $50K? All the guys who own one of the few out there swear it's the greatest thing ever, and we all fall for it because we never will get the chance to see/hear for ourselves. If there were 100s or thousands of Dumbles floating around a new one wouldn't go for 1/10 of what they do now.

How many people just here bought a Bogner Fish reissue simply off of reputation, then sold it because they didn't like it? I'm sure the Cameron's are nice, but there are a lot of nice amps out there now. The fact that their value escalates every day Mark is in hiding is simply silly.

More on topic though, stealing his ideas and designs is immoral, if not criminal.

 

[King Guitar]

More on topic though, stealing his ideas and designs is immoral, if not criminal.

I would agree is we were talking about Jose,

 

[EXPcustom]

I have worked with a firm on a contract I was doing. This firm will take whatever you want reverse engineered and have it done in CAD, Solidworks, and PDF. Then they can print out all the PCBs or chips or molded casings, metal housings you want, they just contract out the work overseas and its very affordable.

FYI before people start sending my PMs asking about this company the cost will run around 2k on up for reverse engineering/3d printing. Then you have to deal with possible legal reprecusions of you get caught after you go into production but someone could set themselves up with a nice modding business with a not too large investment.

 

[stephen sawall]

Funny thing is, just off the top of my head I only know one guy using a Marshall, about 3 using Mesa and no one using a Fender. And I'm sure there are more than 150 Herberts or VH4s, XTCs or Shiva's, SLOs, etc...

More on topic though, stealing his ideas and designs is immoral, if not criminal.

From my point of view I do not think anyone is thinking about stealing his work. Not like it would be hard to do ? I guess the hardest part would be finding a amp to copy ?

You named off a few that did get over that number. There are a lot of other amps. How many of even the ones you have there have sold thousands ? There are a lot that sell more than 150 but it slows down very fast for most amps. There are over 50,000 MESA Mark amps out there.

I know you have seen more than 4 guys playing. Every place I go I see Marshall, Fender and Mesa on stage most of the time. People that play and do not know a lot about gear know these names. This is most of the people that play. People that do not how to play know these names.

 

[scottosan]

I think you owe no one an expaination. Mark did not come with this on his own. If it was so much different than the original jose, then call it something different.

 

[J.B.]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

OK, I know how it went down now..

 

[Anonymous]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

OK, I know how it went down now..

Do tell! Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

 

[J.B.]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

OK, I know how it went down now..

Do tell! Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

Nah, I'm letting it rest Steve. I don't want to open any more cans-o-worms.

 

[Anonymous]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

OK, I know how it went down now..

Do tell! Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

Nah, I'm letting it rest Steve. I don't want to open any more cans-o-worms.

Ok, carry on!

Steve

 

[Meathead]

I'd like to add something. I told a couple people through PM's about my friend doing this amp. One of these people told Mark about this. This is how he found out, not by my post because it was too soon after I posted it and I got the call. So....I'd like to know who called him and told him about it.

Anybody?

Anybody?

OK, I know how it went down now..

Do tell! Do tell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve

Nah, I'm letting it rest Steve. I don't want to open any more cans-o-worms.

Ok, carry on!

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

There is one patent / Western Electric. Leo /Jim etc used it . There is no patent for an guitar amplifier. I got a cameron mod on an amp in 2002. I reversed engineered in 2003. It aint all that. You have to learn how to drive a car. Any car

 

[ke2]

Funny how hard it is to get a hold of Mark...and then how easy it is to get a hold of Mark.

you have to wonder if this whole thing is maybe just all sexual?

If I could just somehow get a hold of Mark I could be happy...but it's very hard.

Somehow, "sexual" and "hard" in these posts, killed me... Maybe it`s the language barriere, maybe it `s my filthy mind