I suck at lead - where do I begin

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billsbigego":v78787xj said:
Thanks. And thanks for the book in the first post. I'm a brain with a lot of things in life, but music theory just goes over my head. I've read 4 pages and I'm lost already, heh. I do everything by ear so far, it's just I need to learn techniques and scale patterns first I guess. I'd love to learn the theory as it sucks not knowing what the hell I'm doing.
This is me ! I am an educated man so to speak. My mind actually functions well with a lot of deep and complex issues. Yet, when it comes to music and theory? Duhhhhh........umm...what? :no: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :( :(
Another thing. I may be able to memorize a few scales but making them musical is another thing.........sigh
 
Red_Label":3nq881gm said:
What he said! I used to teach my students this "Master Modal Pattern" and the seven three-note scale boxes that make it up. Once you know this pattern, you can move it up and down the neck to get all the modes in all the keys. It really sets you free as a lead player. Also, the five pentatonic (5-note) patterns are contained in there as well of course, but this is based on the 7-note diatonic patterns.

ModalMasterPattern.jpg

This. Practice this over and over with a drum machine or metronome. Get the muscle memory down as best you can. From there improvise using these notes over some familiar E and A power chords. Incorporate hammer-ons and pull offs, start in different places, end in different places. It will take a lifetime, but it will be awesome!
 
Use a click track and start slowly building your speed, don't speed up the tempo until you have the the notes perfect. I also helps if you play along with drum loops. Try to keep your fingers as close as possible to the fret board, to much distance before you fret a note, can be a waste of energy. I also recommend Rick Graham, he's a real fast player and he doesn't do metal, but you'll learn economy picking so you can start picking the correct way. There's nothing wrong with using up & down strokes, but if you learn economy picking, it could make your lead playing cleaner. I won't mention scales since other people already mentioned it, but is really important to learned them. Once you you earn the basic pentatonic scales, then move to other scales which will make your lead playing more interesting.

Try to develop a good technique from the beginning because it will be hard to break away from bad ones later on. Is not always how fast you play,but how interesting your leads are!
 
In a few hours, I learned more by playing with this site than the rest of my life combined:
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/

I typically write rhythm riffs without much thought to scales, more of a feeling/intuition thing. Than I take the notes of the riff and place them in the reverse scales to see what pops up (usually a few options)> take that info to the guitar scales to map out what you need for the solos over the riff. Arpeggios jump of the page once you have the right scale. You can deviate with chromatics as "passing tones" but always land on something "correct" and you are gold.

Or if you are stuck for ideas, peruse all of the different scales and find a cool new sound.
 
It's hard for anyone to make valid suggestions without knowing what you already know. So, assuming you know the basic pentatonic shapes (All 5 of them) and how to apply them, you should get some backing tracks of various styles and tempos and just noodle over them.

I also can't suggest enough, learning some of your favorite solos. You'll get a ton of insight as to how those notes were applied over the chords.

For me personally, I had an enlightenment when I got the Frank Gambale book: Modes, A Mystery No More. He covers the 3 notes per string shapes (7) that will help you connect the major scale and it's modes all over the neck. The most important thing I've done in 10 years.

I also like the books by Govan, Petrucci and a couple others that I can't recall the authors of.

Dave
 
Also, learning a little theory is a must. It'll turn a light on in so many areas. At least know how to harmonize a major scale in order to build a chord progression. Know how to determine the relative minor of a major scale. Stuff like that.
 
Rezamatix":3ir8ore1 said:
Ive been playing over 25 years and I still suck. This might not be by accident.


Yeah but you suck better than most of us. :hys:
 
All about experimenting within your skillset at the moment and building from it....just listening to solos I like helps me...may not be able to play the stuff per say,but it opens you up and pushes you to do more or want to do more.....used to spend alot of time focused on techniques,etc and that is good,but you tend to forget how to write and play what you think sounds good......Go with what you know and what you like,with a little of what you would like to do and build on that.......listen to covers and learn a few too......just knowing a solo from hearing it gives you ideas for structures and feel,dynamics......used to hate playing solos....now I dont hate it...lol....prefer to play a nice groove but a good solo has its place in the right song......
 
thenine":1ozrj7ut said:
Red_Label":1ozrj7ut said:
What he said! I used to teach my students this "Master Modal Pattern" and the seven three-note scale boxes that make it up. Once you know this pattern, you can move it up and down the neck to get all the modes in all the keys. It really sets you free as a lead player. Also, the five pentatonic (5-note) patterns are contained in there as well of course, but this is based on the 7-note diatonic patterns.

ModalMasterPattern.jpg

This. Practice this over and over with a drum machine or metronome. Get the muscle memory down as best you can. From there improvise using these notes over some familiar E and A power chords. Incorporate hammer-ons and pull offs, start in different places, end in different places. It will take a lifetime, but it will be awesome!


I get the chart, just not the first section.

One of the problems I have is that I function much better with a strict militaristic regimen. Since I don't really know what to do (I will start practicing that chart right away though) I've just been doing 1234 up and down the strings and up and down the fretboard for now. Even though this isn't scale work, I do notice an improvement in my playing right away. The difference is dedicating a solid 1/2 hour per day out of my time to stick to doing one thing.
 
Good advice here in this thread. Find a starting place and stick with it. Practice and get better and keep branching out. Your vocabulary will grow.
 
Lots of great info here.....good source for some great advice!
 
billsbigego":3q8y8cpl said:
What box are you guys talking about?

I always thought there was a scale for each mode, like aeolian, dorian, etc... and you memorized that and moved it up or down frets depending on what key you're in.
I wish I learned this shit a long time ago. I just don't get it at all. I'm blessed with a great ear and cursed with being dumb.

Are there any online courses you can recommend? I tried that PDF in the first or second post, and was lost by page 4.
Frank Gambale did a great video called Modes, No More Mystery. Very helpful imo.
 
Listen to more Hendrix. Hendrix will teach you to stop seeing the imaginary line between rhythm and lead playing. To him, they were the same thing. Take the barrier down, and it becomes more natural, and a lot less intimidating.
 
Never really got into Hendrix, but I see your point. If I were to attempt a Hendrix tune, what would you suggest?
 
billsbigego":t8i9f56a said:
Never really got into Hendrix, but I see your point. If I were to attempt a Hendrix tune, what would you suggest?
It's not a particularly exciting suggestion, but Little Wing. Listen to the intro to that tune. Is that rhythm or lead playing? Or is it both? You tell me :)
 
billsbigego":1rvr0t0q said:
I get the chart, just not the first section.

One of the problems I have is that I function much better with a strict militaristic regimen. Since I don't really know what to do (I will start practicing that chart right away though) I've just been doing 1234 up and down the strings and up and down the fretboard for now. Even though this isn't scale work, I do notice an improvement in my playing right away. The difference is dedicating a solid 1/2 hour per day out of my time to stick to doing one thing.

*** WARNING *** Digest this post one sentence/paragraph at a time. Don't try to drink from a firehose! :lol: :LOL:

Just memorize those boxes for starters. And you do that by playing them over and over again. This also helps with your synchronization between right and left hands. Use alternate picking. So take that first box/pattern. If you play it the way it's shown, you're playing an Em diatonic scale (also known as the Aeloian mode) through several octaves. Play it from the low, open-E note, to the G (3rd fret) on the high E string, then back down to the low-E again. Do that until you've memorized it. If it takes you a day or a week, that's fine. Just keep doing it. Use it as a warm-up and syncro exercise.

Now... take that same box pattern shape, and move it up three frets. So you start on the 3rd fret of the low E string (the G), and you play it up and down. You're playing the same shape, and it's got the same type of sound... but you're playing a Gm diatonic scale now (or G Aeolian mode). In the modes, Aeolian = "the minor scale" and Ionian = "the major scale".

Anyways... we could go off on all kinds of theory stuff here regarding how all of the modes relate to the steps of the major scale, etc... but for now let's focus on memorizing those seven patterns and increasing our speed at them. Take each of these paragraphs one at a time, don't get overwhelmed. You're plenty smart and capable of doing this. "I think I can! I think I can!" :D

Slide that first pattern up to the 5th fret and now you're playing in A minor, and so on and so on.

Now... let's move that first pattern back to starting it on the open E string. So we're playing in Em again, right? Okay... so put something like the Scorpion's "Rock You Like a Hurricane" on your computer/MP3 player/whatever. It's in Em. Start playing your "boring scale pattern" along with the song. Do the notes sound like they belong to you? Okay, so move this pattern up five frets to the A and then put ACDC's "Hells Bells" on and start playing along with it. That's in Am. Does it work?

So now you're thinking... "yeah... but they sound like I'm playing scales". For sure. But your phrasing has to start somewhere. And making this connection as to how this all fits together is a good start. So now try this: do you know a lead riff note-for-note? Doesn't matter how simple it is. What key is that song in? Let's say it's in E. Do you see how all of the notes that you played fit into this pattern? So put a song on your computer that's in the key of Am instead. So play that SAME note-for-note riff that you learned in the key of E, up five frets. Now it's in the key of A. You might have to alter the speed of the riff, or cut it short, or whatever to make it sound decent. But once you do, you've successfully "stolen" someone's licks. This is how EVH and the vast majority of every other great player started. They learned someone's licks, then they played them in different songs, and then they eventually altered the licks to be more of their own licks. Being able to see how these licks fit into that Master Modal Pattern really puts it all together and down the road will free you up massively in your seeming ability to play leads over most music. My "practice" for most of the past 30 years has consisted of putting-on whatever kind of music I'm feeling in the mood for, and just jamming/shredding/blowing/improvising over it. But I had to put in the work early on of knowing what I was doing and synchronizing my hands. If I'm in the mood to play some sublime mixolydian or lydian mode stuff, I'll often put-on some Satriani or Vai to jam over. If I want to jam over most rock/hard rock... I'll be playing Aeolian mode and also of course the gold standard, the pentatonic minor or major scale (not highlighted in my patterns, but they're in there as you will see once you look at the five pentatonic boxes somewhere online -- they're sure to be everywhere out there). If I'm in the mood for Phrygian, I'll put on some Yngwie or flamenco (though those are usually more a variation on the phrygian mode that's got a sharp third). And so on and so on.

Anyways... I was going to keep this simple and then rambled-on too much. But once you really GET all of this... you'll be amazed at how simple it really is! (Once you've memorized the fretboard.) I can visualize the entire fretboard in any mode/key and I can go anywhere I want at any time and always know the right notes to play. No blindly hunting and pecking in the dark. Nothing makes me cringe more than seeing a player live who clearly doesn't have a clue what notes he's supposed to be playing. Sure... some interesting, beautiful songs/riffs can be found that way. But mostly... it just sounds bad.

Please feel free to PM me if you have any further questions that I may be able to answer.
 
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