Metalhex
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Every modeler should have a built in fan that you can point at yourself so you can feel it "pushing air"
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I think it’s about Time RT evaluated the future of Guitar Rigs
PBGas
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Use what works for you and your ears!
Nothing will ever replace that beautiful sound you get from a nice 100W amp and 412 (or in the case of RT...multiple 412s!).
However, sometimes you come to the realization that you can get by very well with something else and if you are ok with that, then off you go.
I've made a change in the gear I use over the past couple of years and have realized, I'm ok with it. I will always think I am missing something but in reality, I'm not. It has to work for me with gigging and rehearsals and I prefer to carry a lot less stuff to wherever I am going.
Nothing will ever replace that beautiful sound you get from a nice 100W amp and 412 (or in the case of RT...multiple 412s!).
However, sometimes you come to the realization that you can get by very well with something else and if you are ok with that, then off you go.
I've made a change in the gear I use over the past couple of years and have realized, I'm ok with it. I will always think I am missing something but in reality, I'm not. It has to work for me with gigging and rehearsals and I prefer to carry a lot less stuff to wherever I am going.
SFW
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While I love my tube amp, I am definitely looking at the Quad Cortex in my future gigging plans. Less shit to carry to shows. Less setup time. We've been on IEMs for the past year. They have been a game changer for us. No more dealing with shitty club monitors. I'm running a Two Notes Captor X and skipping the mics all together. I love push big air, but I love consistently sounding good more. The only time I get any comments on my rig are from other guitar players. Regular crowd listeners just want to tell us we rocked. lol. So why break my back lugging around 200 lbs worth of gear? Just my thoughts...
MadAsAHatter
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I'm sure every one of us sick mofo's would dine on some soylent green and love it if that's all that was available.
Devin
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itsgoodnow
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I prefer playing on amps. I have an Axe FX III for quieter practicing and probably would do a gig with one if I still played out. Setup/tear down/fx package is a breeze and they sound good. That being said, I think they have their own thing going on sonically vs the amps they model, and they don't feel the same. I prefer to play my amps and am not getting rid of them. But the modelers have their place. The plugin versions are obviously great for workflow and options for a lot of people, or people who make a ton of music (like library music) and just want to plug-in, track, and move on.
Different strokes for different folks.
Different strokes for different folks.
Monkey Man
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All-true brother.
The principle of the analogy still stands 'though. I mean, where does one draw the line? Human stew? A family member?
... and yet, as you say, it's ultimately our conditioning that determines our tastes.
ghosty999
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All-true brother.
The principle of the analogy still stands 'though. I mean, where does one draw the line? Human stew? A family member?
... and yet, as you say, it's ultimately our conditioning that determines our tastes.
Hahaha if tone is stored in the balls, then anything past ball soup is my limit!
cardinal
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I had an AFXIII and it sounded great. Honestly maybe better than my real amps, almost certainly for recording given my limited skills with a real mic. So if that's where we all end up, it'll be fine.
That said, I sold it because I personally enjoy something about using real amps and cabinets instead. It's purely a psychological issue: I'd just rather play the real thing because I have the means to do so. But if for some reason the amps became too difficult/expensive to run, I'm still going to have fun playing through a digital rack or toaster. It's all fine.
That said, I sold it because I personally enjoy something about using real amps and cabinets instead. It's purely a psychological issue: I'd just rather play the real thing because I have the means to do so. But if for some reason the amps became too difficult/expensive to run, I'm still going to have fun playing through a digital rack or toaster. It's all fine.
Markedman
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I know this anyway, some solid state amps from the 60's like Acoustic and Gibson had balls. It wasn't until fucking Peavey came along and messed-up player's reality of what good tone was. Peavey added all sorts of bells and whistles so that the amp sound great at home but when you gigged with it, it was total shit. A lot of amps were modeled after Peavey made such an impact and it went downhill for a long long time.
I'm curious at this time about modeling, only curious, not gassing, but I will take another ride on one at GC soon. It'll take less than 5 minutes of knob turning to get an opinion as to if I need to buy one. It should be apparent almost immediately if it can cut it.
What happened to the Kemper give-a-way? Weren't we supposed to pass that thing around?
I'm curious at this time about modeling, only curious, not gassing, but I will take another ride on one at GC soon. It'll take less than 5 minutes of knob turning to get an opinion as to if I need to buy one. It should be apparent almost immediately if it can cut it.
What happened to the Kemper give-a-way? Weren't we supposed to pass that thing around?
Monkey Man
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Good question.
DanTravis62
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I still have it. I've just been busy with work and haven't had much of a chance to profile the Larry. Once I finally get a chance to mess around and get something done, it'll be back to tone monster and then to marked, I believe.Good question.
Monkey Man
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Awesome brother.
Thanks for the update man.
Thanks for the update man.
TheGreatGreen
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Not defending Metallica, but I've always attributed the band's worsening change in tone to back when James added Diezels to his rig and Kirk swapped over to his Randall stuff. Back when they were using all Mesa gear, nothing could touch the sounds they were getting.
The fact that they swapped over to modelers shortly after this period and started directly modeling their newer, much worse sounding tube rig tones has caused a lot of people to think it's the modelers' fault Metallica's tone sucks now. It's not. Remember, the tone on DM and HtSD sucked too and they recorded those with tube rigs. It ain't the modelers causing the bad tone there.
I have an Axe-Fx and a room full of tube amps and I like to A/B models against my real tube amps into a reactive load all the time for fun. With some amps, I literally can't hear or feel a difference after I tweak around to get them as close as I can. With others, I can absolutely tell a difference but neither is clearly better or worse, just different.
The best modelers around today are perfectly capable of sounding and feeling every bit as good as tube amps. If you can't get them to sound or feel as good as a tube rig, it's not the modeler that's the problem.
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Mr. Willy
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Totally disagree with you. Modelers have come a long way in terms of sounding similar to tube amps, but the feel of tube amps cannot be replicated in anything other than a tube amp. Or at least it hasn’t yet, imho.
In relation to the “if you can get them to sound or feel as good as a tube rig, then it’s not the modeler that’s the problem” kinda statement - I’d be skeptical of that person’s judgment of what good tone is. But we’re all allowed our opinion, aren’t we. I’ll stick with my tube amps.
cardinal
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IMHO, with the AFXIII, it was way too easy to make the unit feel terrible. Sort of a limp, rubbery, delayed attack. The way Fractal sets up the virtual master volumes is so strange and inconsistent to me. That parameter had to be kept very low for some amps and absurdly low for others, otherwise the thing seemed outrageously compressed and the feel was practically disconnected. But it's so tempting to keep turning up that control because the sound just keeps getter warmer and bigger.
On my amps, changing the volume from 1 to 2 just makes it louder as far as I can tell. In the AFXIII, changing the master from 2.33 to 2.66 would cause a significant shift in gain, feel, compression, and tone. Maybe it's neat that it's such a powerful control, man that makes it pretty hard to use. IME.
But the unit could be set to have a pretty good feel IMHO. It just took restraint to get there.
ghosty999
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I find that Fractal Units have a "sound" to them. It's hard to describe. The "fizz" on the top end is different from "fizz" from a tube amp. And the mid-range feels "smooth". Hahah sounds like ive entered the Snake Oil market.
mentoneman
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the dirty shirley is pretty jtm45 ish to the point where there is no way i would even want a $10k real deal given how close the ds gets.
for range of tones in modules, i’d like a boutique fender-two rock-carol ann type clean, srv to clapton jtm45, ac to vh plexi, and a fusiony ej to holdsworth fat high gain lead
running my eggie ie4 together with my syn 2 loaded with randall top boost and sl+ single channel modules, i’m circling the target!
Exo-metal
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I bet the fizz of any modeler sounds better after being thrown off the highest bridge on a fatal descent, my toaster has more worth?
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CarlF
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The Steve Vai, Ecstasy and Plexi odules so far. Never got to Fl. That's at least a year away.
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