ICE, ICE, baby

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I read it for sure. I don’t often take into consideration the bullshit that the current administration is trying to push, but it still doesn’t discount what the law says

What does the law say? Recite it for us. I just posted it. If someone can be deported for breaking the law and being here unlawfully is what?
Different than the last thing you posted, and still does not disagree with what I have said about the law.

Keep digging though guys, I am proud of you

No it's not any different and it absolutely does disagree with everything you've said.
 
See AI overview, especially the deportation section.
Any and all of the penalties listed in the AI overview are are on the table for a person crossing the border illegally regardless of if it's the 1st or 100th offence.

The piece you keep referencing is only a small portion of a larger set of documents and doesn't tell the whole story. Both USC Title 8 and the Immigration and Nationality Act work in conjunction and outline penalties throughout it's 15 Chapters and V Titles respectively. Special note; The bulk of penalties for unauthorized entry and/or revocation of authorized status in the US are listed in many of the 95 sub-sections of Title II: Immigration section. Both documents will show that deportation is always an option for any unauthorized person in the US. And yes an "illegal immigrant" is an unauthorized person.

It's up to the one presiding over the case to determine the penalty. As many have already said illegal/unauthorized entry is cause for deportation as laid out in the documents referenced. A person doesn't automatically get to stay in the US with a slap on the wrist as you keep insisting.

Feel free to read through the entirety of the documents on your own and shut the fuck up.

Link to USC Title 8
https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8&edition=prelim

Link to Immigration and Nationality Act
https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-policy/legislation/immigration-and-nationality-act


AI Overview

Penalties for crossing borders illegally, particularly in the United States, can include a range of consequences, including
criminal penalties, civil penalties, and deportation.
Criminal Penalties:
  • First offense: Generally considered a misdemeanor, potentially resulting in fines, imprisonment for up to six months, or both.
  • Subsequent offenses: Penalties become more severe, potentially escalating to felony charges. This can lead to increased fines and imprisonment for up to two years.
  • Re-entry after a previous conviction:Individuals who have been previously removed (deported) and then re-enter the US illegally may face more serious penalties.
    • After conviction for three or more misdemeanors or a felony (other than an aggravated felony): Fines, up to 10 years imprisonment, or both.
    • After conviction for an aggravated felony: Fines, up to 20 years imprisonment, or both.
  • Other criminal offenses: Specific laws address situations like marriage fraud or immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud aimed at evading immigration laws, which can lead to hefty fines and imprisonment.
Civil Penalties:
  • Unlawful entry: This can result in civil penalties ranging from $50 to $250 or more for each illegal entry or attempted entry. This amount can double for repeat offenders.
  • Civil penalties are separate from and in addition to criminal penalties.
Deportation (Removal):
  • Individuals who enter the United States unlawfully will be arrested, likely detained, and processed for removal (deportation).
  • If an individual does not establish a legal basis to remain in the US, they will be promptly removed to their home country or a third country.
  • Consequences of deportation: A five-year ban on re-entry into the US and potential criminal charges for subsequent unlawful re-entry.
Other factors affecting penalties:
  • Location of arrest: Where an individual is apprehended after an illegal entry can impact the process.
  • Previous deportation orders: Whether an individual has been ordered deported in the past will affect what happens next.
  • Prior criminal convictions: Convictions for certain types of crimes can lead to significantly higher penalties for illegal re-entry.
Note: While immigration violations are primarily civil offenses, illegal entry and illegal re-entry after removal are considered federal criminal offenses.
Right on, now the big guns are coming out. Maybe we can get somewhere.

Do you think the ICE raids result in any sort of precedings or hearings before removal? Do you think what is happening now follows how you interpret what you posted?

Personally, I do not, and that’s why I have a problem with it, and you should too.

I’ll happily read through a non AI version of your post, you should know better than that personally to be honest.
But from what you posted that was not AI, it sure seems to be a stretch to try and deport someone coming to the country illegally on the first offense. But hey, we aren’t lawyers right?
 
What does the law say? Recite it for us. I just posted it. If someone can be deported for breaking the law and being here unlawfully is what?


No it's not any different and it absolutely does disagree with everything you've said.

You’ve posted the same thing twice in this thread, this most recent was different. Still doesn’t change anything though
 
Right on, now the big guns are coming out. Maybe we can get somewhere.

Do you think the ICE raids result in any sort of precedings or hearings before removal? Do you think what is happening now follows how you interpret what you posted?

Personally, I do not, and that’s why I have a problem with it, and you should too.

I’ll happily read through a non AI version of your post, you should know better than that personally to be honest.
But from what you posted that was not AI, it sure seems to be a stretch to try and deport someone coming to the country illegally on the first offense. But hey, we aren’t lawyers right?

How can there be a second offense? ICE isn't going out of their way raiding people for being here unlawfully. They are raiding enhanced criminals who are also here unlawfully. If people who happen to be with them are also here unlawfully, they get removed, because that is the law. Pretty simple.
 
Recite the law. You're wrong and you double down on being wrong. Why? Is it just a troll or are you that dense?
Definitely trolling. I posted twice now about the immigration judge thing pre 2025 and what's happening now. He referenced it once only to say that since Trump enacted it he don't think it's legal. As if every act of government needs specific authorization in the form of a codified law.
 
How can there be a second offense? ICE isn't going out of their way raiding people for being here unlawfully. They are raiding enhanced criminals who are also here unlawfully. If people who happen to be with them are also here unlawfully, they get removed, because that is the law. Pretty simple.
Not necessarily true
 
Definitely trolling. I posted twice now about the immigration judge thing pre 2025 and what's happening now. He referenced it once only to say that since Trump enacted it he don't think it's legal. As if every act of government needs specific authorization in the form of a codified law.
Not what I said.
You guys were doing so well and now I’m losing you.

Stand By Me
 
Not what I said.
You guys were doing so well and now I’m losing you.

Stand By Me
Semantics. This is what you said.

" I don’t often take into consideration the bullshit that the current administration is trying to push, but it still doesn’t discount what the law says"

What the law doesn't say is that first time offenders can't be deported. In fact it specifically says they can.
 
The law is pretty clear. If you are any type of non citizen immigrant and have broken the law in any way you can be deported. If you are here unlawfully, you have already broken the law. The reason that civil cases are put against first time offenders who have entered OUR country illegally has to do with two things, the government has to prove you crossed here unlawfully and courts would be backed up forever. Once someone has been deported their biometrics are taken, if they show back up it is now a felony. A person who has overstayed their visa is the only way it's a civil infraction according to law. And they still can be deported for it.

Not necessarily true

Cite it. Show us. You've been wrong about everything else so far. So, I would love if you actually had something for once.
 
The law is pretty clear. If you are any type of non citizen immigrant and have broken the law in any way you can be deported. If you are here unlawfully, you have already broken the law. The reason that civil cases are put against first time offenders who have entered OUR country illegally has to do with two things, the government has to prove you crossed here unlawfully and courts would be backed up forever. Once someone has been deported their biometrics are taken, if they show back up it is now a felony. A person who has overstayed their visa is the only way it's a civil infraction according to law. And they still can be deported for it.



Cite it. Show us. You've been wrong about everything else so far. So, I would love if you actually had something for once.
Wait for it. He's gonna turn it around and say he never said it happened. Only that it could have.
 
Wait for it. He's gonna turn it around and say he never said it happened. Only that it could have.

I dunno, but with all of his circular bs fantasies; all he really needs to do is call any immigration attorney, and they will spell it out for him. If you're in this country unlawfully (as in you have no visa or have an expired visa, it doesn't really matter how you got here in the end), you have no right to be here and can be deported at will. Doesn't matter if you're the King of England or a dishwasher from Galapagos.
 
Right on, now the big guns are coming out. Maybe we can get somewhere.

Do you think the ICE raids result in any sort of precedings or hearings before removal? Do you think what is happening now follows how you interpret what you posted?

Personally, I do not, and that’s why I have a problem with it, and you should too.
Yes, I think everyone who is detained from an ICE raid is receiving due process. For clarity due process means fair treatment. It doesn't mean "day in court" Fair treatment can range from a simple 5 minute interview by an official to full court proceedings in front of a judge depending on the individual situation.

Yes I do think the law is being followed as written. It is nice to see you at least indirectly admitting everything you've been saying is based on your opinion and not hard fact.

Doesn't matter if you have a problem with things. Facts & laws don't care about your feelings.

I’ll happily read through a non AI version of your post, you should know better than that personally to be honest.
But from what you posted that was not AI, it sure seems to be a stretch to try and deport someone coming to the country illegally on the first offense. But hey, we aren’t lawyers right?
You know damn good and well I posted the AI overview as a basic general summary of my point. Yes it was Google AI and it's not a stretch to for someone to be deported on their first unauthorized entry. The way the law is written; as state several times, any and all of the penalties can be enacted. For instance you can be fined up to $250, imprisoned up to 6 months, and deported all on the first offence. But go ahead and keep on moving the goalposts and running in circles as you usually do.

It generated slightly differently, but here is a screenshot of the AI overview. Note deportation is at the top of the list of allowable penalties and toward the bottom Prompt removal to home country or a 3rd country for unlawful presence.

Even Google disagrees with you. Would you like to continue pretending it's everyone else that's the problem?

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Ice the commies waving foreign flags in our lands over our flag
Shot them if the desecrate one.
God bless Donald Trump for taking immediate action
 
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Yes, I think everyone who is detained from an ICE raid is receiving due process. For clarity due process means fair treatment. It doesn't mean "day in court" Fair treatment can range from a simple 5 minute interview by an official to full court proceedings in front of a judge depending on the individual situation.

Yes I do think the law is being followed as written. It is nice to see you at least indirectly admitting everything you've been saying is based on your opinion and not hard fact.

Doesn't matter if you have a problem with things. Facts & laws don't care about your feelings.


You know damn good and well I posted the AI overview as a basic general summary of my point. Yes it was Google AI and it's not a stretch to for someone to be deported on their first unauthorized entry. The way the law is written; as state several times, any and all of the penalties can be enacted. For instance you can be fined up to $250, imprisoned up to 6 months, and deported all on the first offence. But go ahead and keep on moving the goalposts and running in circles as you usually do.

It generated slightly differently, but here is a screenshot of the AI overview. Note deportation is at the top of the list of allowable penalties and toward the bottom Prompt removal to home country or a 3rd country for unlawful presence.

Even Google disagrees with you. Would you like to continue pretending it's everyone else that's the problem?

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I don’t think I’m saying that everyone else is the problem. Most people that respond to me are dipshits, but I wouldn’t call them the problem
 
Ah shit I was wrong about something.
I posted “stand by me” instead of “stand and deliver”
 
I don’t think I’m saying that everyone else is the problem. Most people that respond to me are dipshits, but I wouldn’t call them the problem

What do you consider yourself if everyone else who is correct on the subject is a dipshit?

Ah shit I was wrong about something.
I posted “stand by me” instead of “stand and deliver”

You've been wrong about everything you've said in this thread (and most threads for that matter) so far. Or at least at minimum you've shown nothing to back up your position while claiming it is accurate.
 
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