Illinois outlaws book bans

[Treeman]

Kids being shown inappropriate things in school is so uncommon, it is practically a non issue. Way way way overblown.

I thought book banning was a nationwide crisis - you are saying it’s a non-issue - overblown?
Or do you deny that the images I linked above are part of this issue?

After that, yes I do believe American students should be taught about all aspects of slavery. There is zero reason to leave any parts out for sensitivity reasons.
A point of not banning books is to not let people outside of schools pick and choose what parts of history students have access to.
African Americans make up a decent percentage of our school children and they are not taught shit about their heritage. It downplays their contribution to our country completely.

We disagree. I think our schools do a decent job of teaching black history. What they don’t do is teach separatism and divisiveness which is what 1619 and CRT. are all about.
And again, I trust you support teaching that slaves brought to the Americas were enslaved by other Africans? That slave trading existed in Africa for centuries before Columbus?

And read up on maps and tell me I’m wrong. They were drawn the way they were for a reason, and not only because maps are flat. Look how big Africa is

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A world map makes it appear mere fractions of its actual size.

Should we teach kids that the reason maps weren’t drawn from the perspective of the continent of Africa is because that great vast continent failed to birth a civilization capable of circumnavigating and mapping the world?
Or do you think that cartographers throughout history have distorted the southern hemisphere (because inconveniently for your argument it is not just Africa) out of simply racism?

 

[dcburn]

Personally, I think the internet is much worse than any of these books.
Most kids are lazy. It takes some effort to look up a book, its whereabouts and sign it out and actually have to flip pages.
Ive seen these books as hard copies, so if Im mistaken...

With the internet, all you have to do is push a button claiming you are 18 and you can see any kind of crazy shit you want.

"This Book Is Gay"
Can you imagine if that book were in our school libraries when we were young?
We would have been signing that book out in our friends names and ripping on them all!
That book would have been a big fucking joke when I was young!

 

[Dan Gleesak]

I thought book banning was a nationwide crisis - you are saying it’s a non-issue - overblown?
Or do you deny that the images I linked above are part of this issue?

We disagree. I think our schools do a decent job of teaching black history. What they don’t do is teach separatism and divisiveness which is what 1619 and CRT. are all about.
And again, I trust you support teaching that slaves brought to the Americas were enslaved by other Africans? That slave trading existed in Africa for centuries before Columbus?

Should we teach kids that the reason maps weren’t drawn from the perspective of the continent of Africa is because that great vast continent failed to birth a civilization capable of circumnavigating and mapping the world?
Or do you think that cartographers throughout history have distorted the southern hemisphere (because inconveniently for your argument it is not just Africa) out of simply racism?

I do not think the images above would be an issue, even if they were actually in schools (which they aren’t) . Kids have the entire internet at their finger tips. They are exposed to anything and everything. Like I said, be a good parent and explain things to them after they see them.

I’m saying “black history” is much more than the civil rights movement. As mentioned originally, European history is studied extensively, African history not so much.

And it is 2023. Anyone who gives a shit has access to correct maps, and they have for decades.
Also crazy ironic you used the phrase “failed to birth a civilization” when talking about Africa lol

You can try and pick apart my posts all you want but they are very clear cut with simple sentiments.

 

[Treeman]

I do not think the images above would be an issue, even if they were actually in schools (which they aren’t) . Kids have the entire internet at their finger tips. They are exposed to anything and everything. Like I said, be a good parent and explain things to them after they see them.

True since they can find on the internet might as make it required reading, who cares what the other parents think.

I’m saying “black history” is much more than the civil rights movement. As mentioned originally, European history is studied extensively, African history not so much.

You mean the history of the African continent? True not covered in depth but then we are a western nation. We also don't spend a lot of time on India, China, or Indonesia.

And it is 2023. Anyone who gives a shit has access to correct maps, and they have for decades.
Also crazy ironic you used the phrase “failed to birth a civilization” when talking about Africa lol

Talk about picking apart a post - the point was, there is a very good and non-racist reason for why world maps are Euro/Northern hemisphere centric - Euro and northern civilizations circumnavigated and mapped the world. Africa birthed civilizations none of which did so.

You can try and pick apart my posts all you want but they are very clear cut with simple sentiments.

 

[Music&Chaos]

Because something is written doesn't and shouldn't make it 100% safe.

It's all about content if it's available to the public.

We have consumer protection etc ..............so where does this now fit into.

Fucking insane and a licence to commit any sort of atrocity.

Let's make the rules YOU want and enforce them onto everyone else. Or... You could try self responsibility and control. The world doesn't need to have anything and everything you deem offensive removed. Just apply that same logic elsewhere and see where that would get us. I don't want another individual's rules running my life. <<< I know I won't escape this, but individual freedom and self responsibility would be a dream.

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

True since they can find on the internet might as make it required reading, who cares what the other parents think.

You mean the history of the African continent? True not covered in depth but then we are a western nation. We also don't spend a lot of time on India, China, or Indonesia.

Talk about picking apart a post - the point was, there is a very good and non-racist reason for why world maps are Euro/Northern hemisphere centric - Euro and northern civilizations circumnavigated and mapped the world. Africa birthed civilizations none of which did so.

I say this with all sincerity..................this guy is a groomer and a contrarian............I could cut him some slack as he's under developed however, his arrogance is not.

Why bother 'trying' to reason with him as you're only feeding his attention deficit syndrome as he's HIGH on the spectrum, his oars aren't all in the water.

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

Let's make the rules YOU want and enforce them onto everyone else. Or... You could try self responsibility and control. The world doesn't need to have anything and everything you deem offensive removed. Just apply that same logic elsewhere and see where that would get us. I don't want another individual's rules running my life. <<< I know I won't escape this, but individual freedom and self responsibility would be a dream.

And who are you?

 

[Music&Chaos]

And who are you?

A nobody, just like you. No better or worse than any other man by nature, only by choice.

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

A nobody, just like you. No better or worse than any other man by nature, only by choice.

Well............know your place and get off MY lawn.

 

[Music&Chaos]

Well............know your place and get off MY lawn.

Fair enough! I don't want to treadle another man's property. Remember when they were calling to ban the Harry Potter books? People are fucking nuts.

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

Fair enough! I don't want to treadle another man's property. Remember when they were calling to ban the Harry Potter books? People are fucking nuts.

To be fair.............I understand both sides and if people could be trusted I'd be in agreement...............

With it being 2023 with MANY years of lies and destruction behind it you CAN'T Trust people anymore............their Contract/Word/Promise mean 100% nothing......................................

With that said..................would YOU trust them..........................

 

[dcburn]

as he's under developed

I don't believe he is from a third world state?

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

I don't believe he is from a third world state?

get off the gear man.....................

 

[Strandberg Junkie]

Well............know your place and get off MY lawn.

It's not your lawn anymore Bucky...

These days you're seen as nothing more than a pile of dog shit spoiling the lawn.

 

[YabbaDabbaDoo]

It's not your lawn anymore Bucky...

These days you're seen as nothing more than a pile of dog shit spoiling the lawn.

After I doggie style you............................as usual.................as YOU know.

 

[Ben Waylin]

These days you're seen as nothing more than a pile of dog shit spoiling the lawn.

Speaking of this, why is Donnie still here ?

 

[Dan Gleesak]

True since they can find on the internet might as make it required reading, who cares what the other parents think.

You mean the history of the African continent? True not covered in depth but then we are a western nation. We also don't spend a lot of time on India, China, or Indonesia.

Talk about picking apart a post - the point was, there is a very good and non-racist reason for why world maps are Euro/Northern hemisphere centric - Euro and northern civilizations circumnavigated and mapped the world. Africa birthed civilizations none of which did so.

Show me an example of “required reading” that is obscene. Not random horseshit tweets of books kids found in libraries.

There was a reason maps were drawn the way they were a couple hundred years ago sure, not any more.

There is no reason kids need to grow up thinking Greenland is huge anymore when Africa is actually 14 times larger in real life

I “pick apart” your post because all you give is excuses why something shouldn’t be changed even though it could simply be done and would be beneficial as well

 

[Music&Chaos]

To be fair.............I understand both sides and if people could be trusted I'd be in agreement...............

With it being 2023 with MANY years of lies and destruction behind it you CAN'T Trust people anymore............their Contract/Word/Promise mean 100% nothing......................................

With that said..................would YOU trust them..........................

Maybe I misread your original post or something because I completely agree that people's word means nothing, that's why I am against banning certain books. Imagine if we let people ban books that went against their personal/religious beliefs, it would get crazy. I thought your OP was in FAVOR of banning books, or am I wrong? Either way, I'm getting off this lawn