initial delay experiments..

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i'm over my carbon copy! Maybe I'll come back to it. but it's time to check out a dd-2.
 
liamlw":3uy56e3n said:
i'm over my carbon copy! Maybe I'll come back to it. but it's time to check out a dd-2.

I don't like the Carbon Copy at all. And I'm selling the Timefactor if anyone is interested.
 
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:
 
mentoneman":1228fr47 said:
Nigel Tufnel":1228fr47 said:
Cool review, thanks. I still have my replex and love it, I always thought the damage control unit looked cool and thought about pulling the trigger but I would rather a have a few different small boxes, I get frustrated dealing with too much in one unit. I stumbled across this on youtube the other day, this might turn out to be a killer delay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2yDjVsnGN8
i hear the time factor updates are great sounding and more tape analog approved. :doh:

I have a TF, and it's pretty killer. Just having it in the loop makes my tone better. The Tape Echo setting is spot on. Love it. :thumbsup:
 
mentoneman":3op72ot6 said:
oh yeah...

presenting the damage control timeline, mentoneman style!


nite nite

PW, just watched this after posting about the Time Factor. That pedal seems to be a reasonable facsimilie of the TF. All the features you displayed so gloriously are what the TF does so well. If you haven't tried one yet, you should. If you have, well, then carry on......... :D
 
OldSkoolNJ":20hgvoym said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.
 
danyeo":228tom3a said:
OldSkoolNJ":228tom3a said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.

Yeh I do not know if it is how I have my tone set on my amp that makes it easier for stuff to alter how it sounds..
But my Presence knob is only on 1,
Playing through the Timefactor made my amp sound like I turned the Presence knob up to like 5 or something..
Which was instantly noticeable to my ears..

I am getting a good vibe from the Damage Control stuff and only intend to use it as Ambiance for a dry guitar sound nothing over the top..
I think it will serve well If I can get my hands on one...
 
danyeo":33ue3mmv said:
I messed around with the Timefactor for a few days and i don't think it sounds nearly as good as the Timeline, the modulation on the Timefactor really left me flat. And i did install the new update. If the Echolution sounds as lush as you say then I'd really like to hear that.


i might be able to pull an echolution clip today...my livingroom looks like a music store/science lab right now!

i committed and i used the axefx last night for the first time live....tried to drop it in to my skb hybrid rack but it was too deep too fit without all the cables getting smashed on the back end. so i just brought it in my old 8 space skb rack, nothing else, no amps/speakers......just had the soundman feed me back my signal in the stage wedge
and plugged my battery powered rocktron midi xchange controller into it and got it talking to the axe on midi channel 1. i used a fender clean, a fender dirty, and a plexi dirtier tone.

it was pretty lame on stage....it's a mono house, so all my stereo patches sounded really dry compared to home with stereo studio monitors, and we had to basically kill one side of the L/R output to avoid phase cancellation summing back to mono in my monitor,

and the axe patches were really noisy/hissy, which was not only confusing but a major unexpected pain to try and dial out at soundcheck, and overall not even close to a tube amp *experience*,

but the soundman loved the DI/no mic factor and said the tone was nice in the house. and i heard enough potential so i'll try it again next weekend.
i'm needing to start from scratch and think mono at home.
i could have used my jac compressor and zendrive to kick things up a notch. and i'm willing to keep digging for the simplicity factor of maybe being able to just bring this thing in a shoulder rack and a midi pedal and nothing else.

but man was i missing my eggie TOL 100 last night!
 
Nigel Tufnel":2khvew7j said:
Had a nice round with the replex tonight, screw the mammoth footprint this thing still buries boots in the taint. That is all.

replex overall tube tone and controls, midi, in a smaller box, with tap tempo button instead of the lame reverb, and the skreddy warble controls instead of just the vintage knob......

perfect
 
danyeo":1xi3f7oc said:
liamlw":1xi3f7oc said:
i'm over my carbon copy! Maybe I'll come back to it. but it's time to check out a dd-2.

I don't like the Carbon Copy at all. And I'm selling the Timefactor if anyone is interested.

a player i mix for has the carbon copy and akai headrush, which she replaced a trex replica with.
i'm not digging the carbon either. i thought the replica was much nicer. neil, the guy who used to work at suhr, played regularly at our church and also had the replica and he got some good tone out of it.

but for me replex, timeline, echolution have more personality and tone i desire.
 
Kaleiwahea":ugw9ube6 said:
PW, just watched this after posting about the Time Factor. That pedal seems to be a reasonable facsimilie of the TF. All the features you displayed so gloriously are what the TF does so well. If you haven't tried one yet, you should. If you have, well, then carry on......... :D


i've not had a chance to dig in to the time factor, just saw it demoed at NAMM and played a few chords through it. it sounded great to me and made me feel like i could get on with it pretty well.

i'd LOVE to hear you demo some of it's cooler sounds! clips?? :rock: :rock:
 
danyeo":2hue8ve0 said:
OldSkoolNJ":2hue8ve0 said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.


this may be beating a dead horse because you mentioned this before and may not have any negative side effects going on, for instance pete thorn likes some dry in his wet cabs, etc.....

but you do know that when running an effect in a parallel loop, you should always have the killdry on so that nothing but 100 percent wet signal is coming out of the loop, and then you just use the effect's internal level controls, or amp's send/return controls to adjust overall sound

don't want any dry signal coming out of the effect or else the dry from the parallel loop mixes with the original dry signal and could phase cancel the dry tone, particularly if there is the slightest bit of latency due to a/d-d/a conversion on the dry tone.

i've made similar mistakes thinking an effect sounded bad or bright only to realize that it was phase cancellation totally undermining the tone.
 
mentoneman":3hi56cu0 said:
danyeo":3hi56cu0 said:
OldSkoolNJ":3hi56cu0 said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.


this may be beating a dead horse because you mentioned this before and may not have any negative side effects going on, for instance pete thorn likes some dry in his wet cabs, etc.....

but you do know that when running an effect in a parallel loop, you should always have the killdry on so that nothing but 100 percent wet signal is coming out of the loop, and then you just use the effect's internal level controls, or amp's send/return controls to adjust overall sound

don't want any dry signal coming out of the effect or else the dry from the parallel loop mixes with the original dry signal and could phase cancel the dry tone, particularly if there is the slightest bit of latency due to a/d-d/a conversion on the dry tone.

i've made similar mistakes thinking an effect sounded bad or bright only to realize that it was phase cancellation totally undermining the tone.

Yes, i used the Timefactor both ways, with killdry off and on. It didn't seem to bother my tone that much when killdry was on, but with killdry on other pedals in the loop didn't work. I have a reverb pedal that works great in my loop that i like to use. I guess that makes sense that it didn't work with the Timefactor when it's killdry was on.
With killdry off, i noticed a big change in tone from the pedal. Adjusting the the send and return levels of my loop helped a little, but i still heard a difference, not in a good way.

But regardless, when i had the Timefactor with killdry on i still wasn't blown away by the pedal. Sure it works ok and can do a lot of things, but it came off like a modeler to me and i don't like Eventides take on what modulation should sound like from a delay pedal. I could use the pedal and get by with it, but for the price? No thanks.
 
danyeo":11t1ioov said:
mentoneman":11t1ioov said:
danyeo":11t1ioov said:
OldSkoolNJ":11t1ioov said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.


this may be beating a dead horse because you mentioned this before and may not have any negative side effects going on, for instance pete thorn likes some dry in his wet cabs, etc.....

but you do know that when running an effect in a parallel loop, you should always have the killdry on so that nothing but 100 percent wet signal is coming out of the loop, and then you just use the effect's internal level controls, or amp's send/return controls to adjust overall sound

don't want any dry signal coming out of the effect or else the dry from the parallel loop mixes with the original dry signal and could phase cancel the dry tone, particularly if there is the slightest bit of latency due to a/d-d/a conversion on the dry tone.

i've made similar mistakes thinking an effect sounded bad or bright only to realize that it was phase cancellation totally undermining the tone.

Yes, i used the Timefactor both ways, with killdry off and on. It didn't seem to bother my tone that much when killdry was on, but with killdry on other pedals in the loop didn't work. I have a reverb pedal that works great in my loop that i like to use. I guess that makes sense that it didn't work with the Timefactor when it's killdry was on.
With killdry off, i noticed a big change in tone from the pedal. Adjusting the the send and return levels of my loop helped a little, but i still heard a difference, not in a good way.

But regardless, when i had the Timefactor with killdry on i still wasn't blown away by the pedal. Sure it works ok and can do a lot of things, but it came off like a modeler to me and i don't like Eventides take on what modulation should sound like from a delay pedal. I could use the pedal and get by with it, but for the price? No thanks.

From Eventide, just FYI.

TimeFactor alters my tone, adding brightness to the signal. Why?

When used with some low impedance tube amps it may sound like TimeFactor/ModFactor is
adding brightness when Active because it is acting as a buffer. This is really letting you hear the highs that were lost from your signal without a buffer. Many amps have buffered effects loops to address this issue. In this case we recommend that you connect our Stompboxes through the effects loop of these amps. If your amp does not have an effects loop, or if you prefer to run our Stompboxes in front of the amp (after the guitar before the amp’s input,) a solution would be to always have a buffer pedal in the signal chain before TimeFactor/ModFactor (if using relay Bypass) or simply always use DSP Bypass mode.

I use mine in the loop using DSP Bypass mode, and have no problems at all. But, I do understand the $ thing, and I do agree that overall it does sound more digital than the others mentioned in this thread. A moot point though, seeing that ALL of my sound-tone-technique-fx-filtering-tonestack-caps and speaker ohmage come from my fingers....... :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
mentoneman":phwkbggi said:
Nigel Tufnel":phwkbggi said:
Had a nice round with the replex tonight, screw the mammoth footprint this thing still buries boots in the taint. That is all.

replex overall tube tone and controls, midi, in a smaller box, with tap tempo button instead of the lame reverb, and the skreddy warble controls instead of just the vintage knob......

perfect
I hear ya, if I could make it perfect for me I would chop the verb, what a waste of space. Then add independent feedback and volume controls for the single and dual heads. But I get along with it fine now, I just set up two nice different yet very spaced out delays and proceed to not rock out. ;)
 
Kaleiwahea":3cb6y50w said:
From Eventide, just FYI.

TimeFactor alters my tone, adding brightness to the signal. Why?

When used with some low impedance tube amps it may sound like TimeFactor/ModFactor is
adding brightness when Active because it is acting as a buffer. This is really letting you hear the highs that were lost from your signal without a buffer. Many amps have buffered effects loops to address this issue. In this case we recommend that you connect our Stompboxes through the effects loop of these amps. If your amp does not have an effects loop, or if you prefer to run our Stompboxes in front of the amp (after the guitar before the amp’s input,) a solution would be to always have a buffer pedal in the signal chain before TimeFactor/ModFactor (if using relay Bypass) or simply always use DSP Bypass mode.

I use mine in the loop using DSP Bypass mode, and have no problems at all. But, I do understand the $ thing, and I do agree that overall it does sound more digital than the others mentioned in this thread. A moot point though, seeing that ALL of my sound-tone-technique-fx-filtering-tonestack-caps and speaker ohmage come from my fingers....... :rock: :rock: :rock:

I tried using it in DSP mode and with and without killdry. In my parallel loop i have individual controls for send and return. If i leave send and return at about 50% my tone doesn't seem to get bothered, but then i can barely hear the delay pedal or my reverb pedal in the loop, and that's with the pedal set to line level. When i begin to raise the send and retun levels of my loop the tone starts getting affected. I can get the pedal to work using the killdry function, but then i can't hear my reverb pedal.

I liked the fact that when i plugged in the Timeline it actually worked without messing with my tone at all.
 
mentoneman":3jfr70zd said:
danyeo":3jfr70zd said:
OldSkoolNJ":3jfr70zd said:
I am still waiting for Pete at Damage Control to email me when their production run for both the Timeline and Glass Nexus are ready for sales.. :gethim:


I had the same issue you did with the Timefactor completely fucking up my tone, and that was even in my parallel loop. I mean, it made my amp sound like ass. The one thing that helped was to turn on the Killdry. Even so, i don't think the Timefactor is really a huge leap of improvement over say a DD20 or a Nova. It's better because of the added features but the Timeline flat out sounds better, especially the modulations. But i like to hear that Echolution, and Fuchs has a new pedal coming out as well.

The only thing the Timeline lacks is line level ins and outs to drive it harder in a loop. But the grit knob helps a lot.


this may be beating a dead horse because you mentioned this before and may not have any negative side effects going on, for instance pete thorn likes some dry in his wet cabs, etc.....

but you do know that when running an effect in a parallel loop, you should always have the killdry on so that nothing but 100 percent wet signal is coming out of the loop, and then you just use the effect's internal level controls, or amp's send/return controls to adjust overall sound

don't want any dry signal coming out of the effect or else the dry from the parallel loop mixes with the original dry signal and could phase cancel the dry tone, particularly if there is the slightest bit of latency due to a/d-d/a conversion on the dry tone.

i've made similar mistakes thinking an effect sounded bad or bright only to realize that it was phase cancellation totally undermining the tone.


Funny thing, i think some guitar players like Satch and Petrucci have purposely used effects in their loop to get that phase cancellation sound for whatever reason. There's an Andy Timmons song called Cry For You and i can get that tone by playing around with the levels in the loop.

Killdry works but how can i get a a 2nd pedal to work in the loop?
 
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