Jake E. Lee playing on TMS

[Badronald]

Jake never struggled. He was a badass for sure.
He's a rock n roll guitar player. Not a pristine shredder. He plays with balls.

 

[fek]

It was painful to watch him struggle with he Randy Solos, he couldn't even play them correctly so he mad his own stuff up. Zakk Wylde on the other hand nailed everything spot on as if it were Randy. In fact Jake was Ozzy's weakest guitarist out of Rhoads, Gillis, Wylde and Holmes in my opinion. But hat is all up for interpretation.

I completely disagree with that (I saw him twice with Ozzy, twice with Badlands, and once solo). Yeah, he added his own touch to Randy's solos (nowhere near the extent that Gillis did) but still stuck with the basic structure and feel...and never appeared to "struggle" IMO.

Let's use what was arguably Randy's "best" solo...is this your idea of a guitarist struggling to get through it?

Does he look like he's struggling during his first major Ozzy gig (in front of how many people?)?

Additionally, it's a fact that Ozzy has only released one album worth listening to since Jake's departure

That is what I was hoping for when Jake was on TMS.

 

[baron55]

It was painful to watch him struggle with he Randy Solos, he couldn't even play them correctly so he mad his own stuff up. Zakk Wylde on the other hand nailed everything spot on as if it were Randy. In fact Jake was Ozzy's weakest guitarist out of Rhoads, Gillis, Wylde and Holmes in my opinion. But hat is all up for interpretation.

I completely disagree with that (I saw him twice with Ozzy, twice with Badlands, and once solo). Yeah, he added his own touch to Randy's solos (nowhere near the extent that Gillis did) but still stuck with the basic structure and feel...and never appeared to "struggle" IMO.

Let's use what was arguably Randy's "best" solo...is this your idea of a guitarist struggling to get through it?

Does he look like he's struggling during his first major Ozzy gig (in front of how many people?)?

Additionally, it's a fact that Ozzy has only released one album worth listening to since Jake's departure

Well there are many shows and obviously we wen't at the same ones. Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

Here is how you play Mr Crowley Jake is a decent guitarist. Also he used to complain about the hate he got from randy Fans for not being able to do the solos correctly. Fair or not it happened. As in the video below, Zakk didn't get the hate because he nailed them.

Not to argue but Jake is a good player not a great one. Others may disagree mileage may vary

Just my opinion

 

[Bob Savage]

Does he look like he's struggling during his first major Ozzy gig (in front of how many people?)?

Man, Jake tore that stuff up! Never really got into him for some reason but that was some killer playing right there.

And I agree about Gillis. The first time I heard him with Ozzy I didn't like it at all (not the playing per se, but staying with the Randy theme)... should listen back to that album again someday to see what I think now.

 

[Anonymous]

It was painful to watch him struggle with he Randy Solos, he couldn't even play them correctly so he mad his own stuff up. Zakk Wylde on the other hand nailed everything spot on as if it were Randy. In fact Jake was Ozzy's weakest guitarist out of Rhoads, Gillis, Wylde and Holmes in my opinion. But hat is all up for interpretation.

I completely disagree with that (I saw him twice with Ozzy, twice with Badlands, and once solo). Yeah, he added his own touch to Randy's solos (nowhere near the extent that Gillis did) but still stuck with the basic structure and feel...and never appeared to "struggle" IMO.

Let's use what was arguably Randy's "best" solo...is this your idea of a guitarist struggling to get through it?

Does he look like he's struggling during his first major Ozzy gig (in front of how many people?)?

Additionally, it's a fact that Ozzy has only released one album worth listening to since Jake's departure

Totally agree - his "Crowley" was always brilliant and effortless looking. Great live player if you ask me...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

Hmmm... not buying this. He may have had a bad night, but I've never seen him try and play it note for note. That was not just pentatonic either, he's playing plenty of notes outside the pentatonic scale. Also, I don't care whether people copy the original solo identically. I like people to put their own personality/style into it. That is why I dig Eddie - he never played the solos identically. That is what made him interesting to me.

Also he used to complain about the hate he got from randy Fans for not being able to do the solos correctly.

I've read a lot of Jake articles and while I've heard him say he didn't dig the hate from the Randy fans, I've never heard him say it was because he couldn't do the solos correctly. 99% of the audience wouldn't have a clue if he was or wasn't so I doubt that has anything to do with the hate...

Steve

 

[Bob Savage]

Well there are many shows and obviously we wen't at the same ones. Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

It wasn't note for note and quite frankly, I doubt that's what Jake was going for, but it was close enough to my ears that it was highly enjoyable.

 

[crankyrayhanky]

Me an crankyray volunteer for the guest guitarist slots for next week's show and then you can tell us how much we suck...

I'm also volunteering Chubtone, gainfreak, chad (gibson4536272 or whatever), ant, Savage, rvs and a million other previous and current rig-talkers...

Steve

I'm game!

 

[fek]

Well there are many shows and obviously we wen't at the same ones. Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

It wasn't note for note and quite frankly, I doubt that's what Jake was going for, but it was close enough to my ears that it was highly enjoyable.

+1

 

[rupe]

Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

Hmmm... not buying this. He may have had a bad night, but I've never seen him try and play it note for note. That was not just pentatonic either, he's playing plenty of notes outside the pentatonic scale. Also, I don't care whether people copy the original solo identically. I like people to put their own personality/style into it. That is why I dig Eddie - he never played the solos identically. That is what made him interesting to me.

Also he used to complain about the hate he got from randy Fans for not being able to do the solos correctly.

I've read a lot of Jake articles and while I've heard him say he didn't dig the hate from the Randy fans, I've never heard him say it was because he couldn't do the solos correctly. 99% of the audience wouldn't have a clue if he was or wasn't so I doubt that has anything to do with the hate...

Steve

Right on

 

[rupe]

Does he look like he's struggling during his first major Ozzy gig (in front of how many people?)?

Man, Jake tore that stuff up! Never really got into him for some reason but that was some killer playing right there.

And I agree about Gillis. The first time I heard him with Ozzy I didn't like it at all (not the playing per se, but staying with the Randy theme)... should listen back to that album again someday to see what I think now.

I actually never disliked Gillis' work with Ozzy, I just didn't get overly excited about it. He had great chops (especially for that time) and a fantastic live tone...I probably appreciate his work more these days than I did back then. That said, he took far more liberties with Randy's solos than any of Ozzy's other guitarists (although he still stuck to the theme).

And although Zakk may nail the solos, he shits all over the rhythms IMO...how many chorused-out squeals do Crazy Train and BATM really need?

 

[rupe]

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

 

[Bob Savage]

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

LOL

 

[Anonymous]

Well there are many shows and obviously we wen't at the same ones. Also In those videos, The Solo to Mr Crowley is not being played, he is just doing penatonic runs in the same key. Like I said, when I saw him, he tried to actually play the "real" solo and fell flat on his face.

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

It wasn't note for note and quite frankly, I doubt that's what Jake was going for, but it was close enough to my ears that it was highly enjoyable.

Q: How many baron55s does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Six. One to actually screw in the lightbulb and five to stand around with their arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, saying how they could have done it better.

Steve

 

[Bob Savage]

LOL... sorry to laugh baron, but these guys are posting some funny stuff.

 

[Mailman1971]

You're one of those guys that watches a band with his arms crossed, head tilted back and eyes slightly squinted, aren't you?

 

[yankeebulldog]

And although Zakk may nail the solos, he shits all over the rhythms IMO...how many chorused-out squeals do Crazy Train and BATM really need?

I was a huge fan of Zakk at least from this early Ozzy era through the P&G days. I agree with this for the most part. The Randy stuff didn't need all the hot dogging squeals. He also regularly alternated the fills in songs like Crazy Train which really irked me. What he did with the Sabbath songs was actually fairly tasteful. I love his versions of Sweet Leaf and War Pigs off the Just Say Ozzy Live Album. He also did a very good job with some of the deeper Sabbath stuff he played on the last Ozzfest he played with Ozzy around 2003. I've never heard some of those tunes done live by Sabbath but he was able to play the parts double tracked leads very tastefully. I'm still not exactly sure what happened to Zakk but his ability to come up with catchy riffs has always been hit or miss. I can only really recount about 5-6 through the entire BLS catalog. Jake however was always very good at this through the Ozzy and Badlands years IMHO. The only Zakk stuff I've liked in the last 15 years was the Rock Star sound track. He played even better than he did on the early Ozzy stuff. Probably because he didn't write the songs and all he had to do was hot dog the solos.

 

[daver101]

The whole show needs to be retooled. New format, new hosts, etc. There is no passion or excitement coming from the three hosts. Who gives a shit about lists of their top albums, or how much boring trivia Eddie Trunk knows? Deep six the whole idea and start over....

 

[projectx102]

If they have to retool,we will never see it again. Be content with at least something

 

[nevusofota]

The whole show needs to be retooled. New format, new hosts, etc. There is no passion or excitement coming from the three hosts. Who gives a shit about lists of their top albums, or how much boring trivia Eddie Trunk knows? Deep six the whole idea and start over....

Someone likes it since it keeps getting renewed.