TheGreatGreen
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That's something we can definitely agree on.
That's something we can definitely agree on.
Kapo_Polenton
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I like this guy's work... what stood out for me is room mic'ing. Not that much of a difference to hear the room added to the guitar tone vs just hitting it with a verb pedal. So you can get great guitar tones at home once you remove the room and crank the amp enough to get it where you want it.
Spaceboy
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I think you might be overestimating the competency of a lot of guitar players haha.
took the words right out of my mouth
DanTravis62
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It's odd, I find them boring to play, over compressed, and a little lifeless
But lots of people seem to get good tones out of them, for what they're trying to do
took the words right out of my mouth
I guess i assume most RTers are on the experienced side ?
rsm
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back in the day my amps were usually miked; if I could actually hear the stage monitors, when present, it was difficult to tell what my guitar sounded like with all the surrounded noise; this was more challenging if I was singing too.
I'd usually stand where I could hear my amp and the rest of the band in as balanced way possible. Having to be at a mic stand limited what I could hear, and at the mercy of the monitor mix.
when I first started getting into digital modelers, the biggest difference was what I heard in the room vs. the fully processed digital signal into FRFR. That was a common complaint and why some didn't use modeling for years maybe to this day?
When I'm just playing guitar at home, I'll use my tube amps. If I was recording, I would use my plugins; if I was playing live, I would my digital modeling rigs or a small combo tube amp.
I'd usually stand where I could hear my amp and the rest of the band in as balanced way possible. Having to be at a mic stand limited what I could hear, and at the mercy of the monitor mix.
when I first started getting into digital modelers, the biggest difference was what I heard in the room vs. the fully processed digital signal into FRFR. That was a common complaint and why some didn't use modeling for years maybe to this day?
When I'm just playing guitar at home, I'll use my tube amps. If I was recording, I would use my plugins; if I was playing live, I would my digital modeling rigs or a small combo tube amp.
thegame
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I find it amusing that people try to capture some elusive in the room tone with only one mic (iPhone or otherwise). Are you listening to the room tone with one ear only? Psst…humans hear in stereo but many think in mono.
SoooRad
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In the room tone gets you to the destination, but usually can't be used at the destination.
Spaceboy
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I think the majority of the regulars here got their heads on straight, but honestly most guitarists out in the world would surprise me if they could find their way onto the internet. Hell, most of them even basic literacy is in question.
rsm
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Mick Taylor, from TPS, said they get a large number of emails / posts asking them what "<fill in the type> pedal should I buy/use?", usually missing any context (e.g., current gear, sound you want, pedals you're considering, etc.)
not surprising that social media gear "influencers" can cause gear buying stampedes; there's a reason manufacturers give them demo gear or free / reduced cost gear, because it makes everyone more money.
Devin
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Lil Jim
Devin
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If you aren't playing gigs or recording then in-the-room tone is literally all that matters 
TheGreatGreen
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If you aren't playing gigs or recording then in-the-room tone is literally all that matters
Not necessarily! These days with reactive loads + IR's and modelers being as common as they are, it's easy to play exclusively at home through full range speakers and get a great sound.
rsm
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but I'd still rather fire up my tube amps.
Spaceboy
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Enjoying a great amp in a room you're familiar with is obviously an awesome experience that we all enjoy, there's absolutely nothing like that feeling. But more guitarists need to realize that the experience is unique and will never translate to another person. It cannot be captured in any way that remains unchanged for the next person. Even putting a phone in the room does not give you an accurate representation of what happened like some here seem to believe, because a phone has it's own EQ profile, and it subject to room reverb, placement, etc. The moment any device is used in an attempt to capture that 1st person experience, the recording device/chain itself becomes as integral to the 2nd person experience as the original gear in question was to the 1st person experience. A common mic used closely on a common speaker is the best possible mitigation of the variables between the 1st and 2nd person experience, but only if the first person was playing the amp and dialing it in with the mic/chain in consideration, and that's not the same as that standing in front a loud amp feeling. Even then it's nowhere near perfect due to differences in ears, perception, monitoring, acoustics, blah blah. Nobody is saying don't blast your amps and have a great time, it's just that your experience will never truly translate to another person when you come to places like Rig-Talk to talk about it and share opinions.
angelspade
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I tend to agree with this, but don't necessarily see it as a bad thing. The first time that I played a Diezel Herbert (2007) I was actually taken a back a by how "produced" it sounded without any of the studio magic typically required. After getting used to it, I grew to really appreciate this quality about some of the higher end boutique amps. Particularly when playing them at sane volumes at home. I can tell you that I had a similar reaction to the Peavey 5150 when it was first introduced. I was so accustomed to having to slam the front end of my amps and crank up the volume to get that kind of gain and attack out of them...it felt strange, to say the least. The low volume, over the top gain seemed almost artificial, or "fake" in a way. Again, now I appreciate it. That said, I do like to keep a few "raw" and more organic sounding amps around....But I spend most of my time with my Koch Supernova and Diezel VH4. Both of which probably do not fit that description.
danielraible
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Tone in the room is one of the most important things, most of the time. It's what is influencing the live performance, by providing immediate feedback to the performer. Furthermore it also shapes what is going into the microphone for the recording.
Now in the 21st century we have all kinds of gadgets which negate this. DI boxes, complete modeling solutions, etc. But the seminal recordings he shows video clips of were mostly done with raging amps blowing back pantlegs in the studio. Translating sound pressure waves to emotions.
Even on stage today, if your sound in the room is subpar, then it's going to be hard to deliver a confident performance.
Now in the 21st century we have all kinds of gadgets which negate this. DI boxes, complete modeling solutions, etc. But the seminal recordings he shows video clips of were mostly done with raging amps blowing back pantlegs in the studio. Translating sound pressure waves to emotions.
Even on stage today, if your sound in the room is subpar, then it's going to be hard to deliver a confident performance.
RaceU4her
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“In the room” guys are a silly bunch lol
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braintheory
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I think it appeals to a lotta the guys that don’t like tones that are too aggressive or grainy or sizzly. The guys that think “oh no, it hurts my whittle ears”. Most (but not all) of those guys seem to also not like Rev C Recto’s, JBL’s, stock ‘70’s Marshall’s, basically the more aggressive sounding stuff with more teeth. Basically some of my favorite sounding stuff I’ve got lol
Dan Gleesak
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I play through IRs and headphones 90% of the time and am happy to do so. It sounds great.
But the 10% of the time I can let it rip through a cab “in the room” is so much more fun. You can’t beat standing in front of a 4x12 and feeling the sound as much as hearing it
And as someone that only plays for fun now, that is real important to me
But the 10% of the time I can let it rip through a cab “in the room” is so much more fun. You can’t beat standing in front of a 4x12 and feeling the sound as much as hearing it
And as someone that only plays for fun now, that is real important to me
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