Joe Bonamassa takes digital amp on tour; Paul Gilbert switches to digital amp...

[Techdeth]

Joe was so damn smart to just stick to old white guy blues
They worship him
SRV void was filled for them
But damn he’s boring unless he’s shredding lol fr

 

[VonBonfire]

Joe was so damn smart to just stick to old white guy blues
They worship him
SRV void was filled for them
But damn he’s boring if they shredding lol fr

I don't think anyone fills the SRV void. I enjoy busier players but there is a point where it kind of becomes meh cause it's blowing notes more than saying something. This is technically impressive, Lance is quite a monster player and used to tour with Lucky Peterson, but it seems kinda off in a way cause he's packing so many notes into some parts that don't really call for it IMO.....

 

[DanTravis62]

I don't think anyone fills the SRV void. I enjoy busier players but there is a point where it kind of becomes meh cause it's blowing notes more than saying something. This is technically impressive, Lance is quite a monster player and used to tour with Lucky Peterson, but it seems kinda off in a way cause he's packing so many notes into some parts that don't really call for it IMO.....

That's a killer guitar, and he's obviously got chops, but that is horrific to listen to

It's unmusical and makes no sense and is jarring with the backing band

 

[VonBonfire]

That's a killer guitar, and he's obviously got chops, but that is horrific to listen to

It's unmusical and makes no sense and is jarring with the backing band

Yeah I agree. It makes musical sense, but it is unmusical.....like a guy who did a couple big lines of meth before taking the stage.

 

[DanTravis62]

Joe was so damn smart to just stick to old white guy blues
They worship him
SRV void was filled for them
But damn he’s boring unless he’s shredding lol fr

Damn right he was

He's richer than any of us will ever be, and all he has to do is wank

Yeah I agree. It makes musical sense, but it is unmusical.....like a guy who did a couple big lines of meth before taking the stage.

Is it technically correct? Yes. It's in key, and in rhythm.

But just like gear can't buy you chops, chops can't buy you taste

 

[VonBonfire]

But just like gear can't buy you chops, chops can't buy you taste

At a certain point in there it reminded me of doing technical exercises over backing tracks. It makes sense considering he was Lucky Peterson's bandleader for european tours. If you are familiar with Lucky he could really burn on a guitar or B3, but I have the feeling he would've shot Lance a dirty look for that one because it became pentatonic diarrhea.

 

[Techdeth]

I don't think anyone fills the SRV void. I enjoy busier players but there is a point where it kind of becomes meh cause it's blowing notes more than saying something. This is technically impressive, Lance is quite a monster player and used to tour with Lucky Peterson, but it seems kinda off in a way cause he's packing so many notes into some parts that don't really call for it IMO.....

I don’t find skies boring . Just joe . Unless he’s shredding he bites me

 

[legend71]

Anyone who's heard "Never mind the bollocks" will know what a cranked twin sounds like, even if they don't know what a cranked twin sounds like

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Being a big fan of that tone, I know exactly how nice it is

I love that record and his tone on it is killer. His playing was great too

 

[Devin]

Joe is probably just using it as a harmonica amp or something

 

[DanTravis62]

I love that record and his tone on it is killer. His playing was great too

100%

It's so freaking aggressive, and honestly a little bit ahead of it's time

 

[boogieman1187]

I totally get the migration to digital modelers for grinding out the tour. SO much can go SO wrong with valuable - if not arguably irreplaceable - tube amps (at least pretty damned hard to replace regardless of budget).

If I played for a living - and I don't - and if I could get 90+% there with any of the modelers, I would go that route for simplicity and consistency: exact same signal to front of house night after night after night.

A couple of my friends play regularly in local bands and they each use Fractal and I am amazed at how good these guys sound in any venue I have seen them. (And both guys will tell you that they prefer the feel of their favorite tube amp)

This was my exact thoughts the last couple years I played out. I prefer tube but the ease of use and consistency can't be beat with a modeler.

 

[pipelineaudio]

The math and just plain reality denial in this thread is the stuff EPIC was meant to describe

 

[ghosty999]

When I moved to AxeFX for live from a Tube setup, my buddy said my tone would suck.

So I used a pedal with a dual output to split my signal to the AxeFX running into a Palmer SS power amp and cab. Left the Tube amp on sitting ontop of the cab.

He said "see, why would you move away from that tone to some digital crap?"

He was listening to the AxeFX.

 

[DrewJD82]

If you try to bypass IR, run into a power amp into a cab, it still sounds thin and harsh and you have to put in a lot of effort with post EQ to get it to sound remotely good. I understand that setup defeats the purpose of a digital modeler but still is a bummer.

I’ve read this over and over through the years but haven’t experienced it yet myself. This is a Mark IIC+ model/Delay/Reverb straight into the Fryette, no EQ’s or anything else. In fact, all I did was bypass the Cab block in an existing preset, I didn’t even adjust the amp’s EQ to suit the real cab better.



Even more to the point, I spent the weekend putting together a rig for a band I already quit, but when going over my options I decided I’d get where I wanted, tonally, far faster using the FM9/Fryette than I would any of the amps/pedals in a cover situation where I’d be going from Pantera to Incubus type tones.

 

[Shask]

I’ve read this over and over through the years but haven’t experienced it yet myself. This is a Mark IIC+ model/Delay/Reverb straight into the Fryette, no EQ’s or anything else. In fact, all I did was bypass the Cab block in an existing preset, I didn’t even adjust the amp’s EQ to suit the real cab better.



Even more to the point, I spent the weekend putting together a rig for a band I already quit, but when going over my options I decided I’d get where I wanted, tonally, far faster using the FM9/Fryette than I would any of the amps/pedals in a cover situation where I’d be going from Pantera to Incubus type tones.

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The Fryette probably saved it in this case. It is probably naturally more scooped with more fullness. The thin thing happens more with flat SS power amps.

 

[DrewJD82]

Honestly that makes a lot more sense than he "needs them for his tone"

Because most of what you hear live he could easily do with the dumble/fender and a pedal, or just the jube, etc

The bonermaster drives me insane because he's playing a trick on people who aren't very good at guitar

The ONLY technically advanced thing he does is play the Fischer Price© My First 2NPS Pentatonic Lick at moderate speeds, and intermediate and beginner guitar players make the "shocked pikachu" face

It's infuriating

This is one of the more perfect examples of someone living rent free in your head. I bet ya $20 you can’t find a single quote of Bonermaster saying he needs any of that shit to play his recycled EJ licks, but what you WILL find are a shitload of videos and quotes of him saying the direct opposite, that vintage gear isn’t magic just because it’s old and he only plays vintage shit live because he can.

He doesn’t just say it here, he makes an example playing his ‘58 burst back to back and declares there’s no $398,000 difference in tone, at most giving credit to how CTS used to make pots.


I think of him more as a collector than a player on account of not listening to his music at all. He’s got more reverence for the eras the gear was made, the stories behind the gear and the history of it all than anything to do with the actual sounds they make.

 

[rsm]

very white blues

 

[rsm]

not white blues

 

[VonBonfire]

The math and just plain reality denial in this thread is the stuff EPIC was meant to describe

Not really sure what you mean. Regardless, the tonemaster sucks compared to it's tube counterpart. Digital stuff is all based on profit for the manufacturer, and convenience and cost savings for that of the consumer.

 

[VonBonfire]

not white blues

If this is blues then Mountain is death metal.