Just played an SLO for the first time....

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Code001":76a1tpuv said:
Shark Diver":76a1tpuv said:
I am always aware of this when I type. Though I'm sure I jack it up time and again. It is incorrect to say "an" SLO. Even if it is an acronym. You wouldn't say I want "an" DSL. I think it is just the way it flows linguistically. Same reason people say "where you at?" instead of "where are you?". Simply bad English.

Or maybe the amazing is implied. "I want an (amazing) SLO. ;)

No, it isn't. It's called a vowel-sounding letter. A,E,F,H,I,L,M,N,O,R,S and X are all vowel-sounding letters, hence why people write "an" before the acronym. Examples:

An ATF agent
An EMT
An FDA employee
An HR report

etc.
correct...
 
Bronco":1b8e4tnd said:
Code001":1b8e4tnd said:
Shark Diver":1b8e4tnd said:
I am always aware of this when I type. Though I'm sure I jack it up time and again. It is incorrect to say "an" SLO. Even if it is an acronym. You wouldn't say I want "an" DSL. I think it is just the way it flows linguistically. Same reason people say "where you at?" instead of "where are you?". Simply bad English.

Or maybe the amazing is implied. "I want an (amazing) SLO. ;)

No, it isn't. It's called a vowel-sounding letter. A,E,F,H,I,L,M,N,O,R,S and X are all vowel-sounding letters, hence why people write "an" before the acronym. Examples:

An ATF agent
An EMT
An FDA employee
An HR report

etc.
correct...


Well not what I was taught, but again it was a California college... :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Some of those ARE vowels. ;) So of course - An ATF agent. Have 2 English degrees and I would never turn in a paper with "an FDA employee". Doesn't mean people don't use it. Actually different colleges use different writing handbooks so who knows? :D

I still don't think, "He has 12 RBI" sounds right on Sports Center. I had one professor tell me it's correct and one tell me it isn't. Sometimes just because something flows or sounds better doesn't mean it is correct. Sometimes because it doesn't sound right doesn't mean its wrong. Grammar is like the Law, ever changing. I was taught an acronym doesn't change the rules of grammar.
 
Yes, there are some vowels in there, but there are also some vowels that are omitted. It sounds like you just memorized something incorrectly. Here are links in case you don't believe me:

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxaanbef.html
http://wordinfo.info/unit/3431/ip:1
http://www.drgrammar.org/frequently-asked-questions#36
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/using-a ... ore-words/

I don't think the word "stupidest" sounds good, but it's a legitimate word. You just have to deal with it.

My jobs are journalistic-related jobs, if that makes any difference.

P.S. I should have used the word abbreviation instead of acronym. SLO is an abbreviation; NATO is an acronym.
 
Code001":3w1ymure said:
Yes, there are some vowels in there, but there are also some vowels that are omitted. It sounds like you just memorized something incorrectly. Here are links in case you don't believe me:

http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxaanbef.html
http://wordinfo.info/unit/3431/ip:1
http://www.drgrammar.org/frequently-asked-questions#36
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/using-a ... ore-words/

I don't think the word "stupidest" sounds good, but it's a legitimate word. You just have to deal with it.

My jobs are journalistic-related jobs, if that makes any difference.

P.S. I should have used the word abbreviation instead of acronym. SLO is an abbreviation; NATO is an acronym.


Even those say it could go both ways:

"In line with the basic rule, before words with an initial consonant sound, "a" is the usual application in speech and writing.
Before "h" in an unstressed or weakly stressed syllable, "a" and "an" are both used in writing (an historic, a historic) but an is more usual in speech, whether the "h" is pronounced or not. This variation exists as a result of historical development; in unstressed and weakly stressed syllables, "h" was formerly not pronounced in many words as it is currently pronounced by many people. A few words; such as, historic and (especially in England) hotel, are in transition, and may be found with either a or an."

I would say academic writing is more strict than Journalism. But again, who knows? It is constantly changing. There is no debate that strict rules of grammar are becoming washed away. The teacher in question went to an Ivy League school probably in the late '40s or early '50s. So, I trust what I was taught.

How long will "ly' adverbs be around? Hardly anyone uses them anymore. "He does that different than you" is much more common today than saying "He does that differently than you." I've graded and edited many papers and there are so many things common place now that never would have been accepted 30 years ago. I didn't memorize anything wrong - I might have simply had a teacher who adhered to a different standard. It was definitely what I was taught and how I write papers.

I would never say, "I have an Super Lead Overdrive." I was taught just because you drop it to SLO doesn't change the grammar.

Edit: Again I asked specifically about the use of "He has 12 RBI" which sounds so wrong to me. "He has 12 RBIs" just sounds better. One teacher said one way, the other teacher said the other. Grammar, like Math, sucks. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

It is what I was taught. I've won academic awards for my writing - so I'll agree to disagree. ;) :lol: :LOL: And you write for a living, so what ever works for you I guess. :)

Cool that we can debate this in "a/an" SLO thread anyway. :thumbsup:
 
This is very important stuff...lets get to the bottom of it quickly :poke:
 
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rupe":1survuvv said:
This is very important stuff...lets get to the bottom of it quickly :poke:


It was either this or another John Mayer/Kirt Hammet thread. lol
 
Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
Even those say it could go both ways:

"In line with the basic rule, before words with an initial consonant sound, "a" is the usual application in speech and writing.
Before "h" in an unstressed or weakly stressed syllable, "a" and "an" are both used in writing (an historic, a historic) but an is more usual in speech, whether the "h" is pronounced or not. This variation exists as a result of historical development; in unstressed and weakly stressed syllables, "h" was formerly not pronounced in many words as it is currently pronounced by many people. A few words; such as, historic and (especially in England) hotel, are in transition, and may be found with either a or an."

This is in respect to the letter "h." The author is not talking about the other vowel-sounding consonants out there. This also plays into the British English vs American English phenomena. The British tend to use "an historic" because they don't stres the h as much as we do here in America. That's why so many Americans tend to say "a historic." To the Brits, it sounds like "an 'istoric," which would be correct as you're putting the indefinite article with the vowel sound, not the letter itself.

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
I would say academic writing is more strict than Journalism. But again, who knows? It is constantly changing. There is no debate that strict rules of grammar are becoming washed away. The teacher in question went to an Ivy League school probably in the late '40s or early '50s. So, I trust what I was taught.

Who's to say that your academic writing is stricter than my journalistic writing? I know quite a few QC'ers who would disagree with that. We take our jobs seriously when it comes to proper grammar, and our level of grammar easily rivals those who have majored in a purely English major. Not all of us are trying to cater to the casual reader with our writing. Quite a few of us take a strong academic view when we write our articles, assuming it does not take away from the point we're trying to make.

I'll trust common sources that state the same thing over what a teacher said. ;) I've experienced too many incorrect statements. My favorite is still the mythical, "You cannot end a sentence with a preposition."

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
How long will "ly' adverbs be around? Hardly anyone uses them anymore. "He does that different than you" is much more common today than saying "He does that differently than you." I've graded and edited many papers and there are so many things common place now that never would have been accepted 30 years ago.

The "ly" adverbs have been overused back during the mid 1900s. Check out this link:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/ ... verb_does/

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
I didn't memorize anything wrong - I might have simply had a teacher who adhered to a different standard. It was definitely what I was taught and how I write papers.

So it's impossible that your teacher taught you something incorrect?

I'm not sure how what I'm trying to explain can be that hard to grasp?

Here's another link:

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/ ... m#acronyms

One of the most often asked questions about grammar has to do with the choice of articles — a, an, the — to precede an abbreviation or acronym. Do we say an FBI agent or a FBI agent? Although "F" is obviously a consonant and we would precede any word that begins with "F" with "a," we precede FBI with "an" because the first sound we make when we say FBI is not an "f-sound," it is an "eff-sound." Thus we say we're going to a PTO meeting where an NCO will address us. We say we saw a UFO because, although the abbreviation begins with a 'U," we pronounce the "U" as if it were spelled "yoo." Whether we say an URL or a URL depends on whether we pronounce it as "earl" or as "u*r*l."

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
I would never say, "I have an Super Lead Overdrive." I was taught just because you drop it to SLO doesn't change the grammar.

What you were taught was, and still is, incorrect.

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
Edit: Again I asked specifically about the use of "He has 12 RBI" which sounds so wrong to me. "He has 12 RBIs" just sounds better. One teacher said one way, the other teacher said the other. Grammar, like Math, sucks. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Inconsistencies combined with colloquialism... Here's a link:

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/plurals.htm

Some abbreviations have embedded plural forms, and there are often inconsistencies in creating the plurals of these words. The speed of an internal combustion engine is measured in "revolutions per minute" or rpm (lower case) and the efficiency of an automobile is reported in "miles per gallon" or mpg (no "-s" endings). On the other hand, baseball players love to accumulate "runs batted in," a statistic that is usually reported as RBIs (although it would not be terribly unusual to hear that someone got 100 RBI last year — and some baseball commentators will talk about "ribbies," too). Also, the U.S. military provides "meals ready to eat" and those rations are usually described as MREs (not MRE). When an abbreviation can be used to refer to a singular thing — a run batted in, a meal ready-to-eat, a prisoner of war — it's surely a good idea to form the plural by adding "s" to the abbreviation: RBIs, MREs, POWs. (Notice that no apostrophe is involved in the formation of these plurals. Whether abbreviations like these are formed with upper- or lower-case letters is a matter of great mystery; only your dictionary editor knows for sure.)

Shark Diver":1azo5xfz said:
It is what I was taught. I've won academic awards for my writing - so I'll agree to disagree. ;) :lol: :LOL: And you write for a living, so what ever works for you I guess. :)

Were the papers being graded for grammar alone? It's pretty rare that people are super anal about academic writing, assuming you're not making some obvious error. It's the contents that matter more, after all. I don't recall people complaining to the CDC about a missing comma when they submitted information on the H1N1 outbreak back in 2009. BTW, my job is just a job I do on the side. I don't make a living doing this. However, I take it as seriously as I would take any job. It's my job to constantly look up grammar rules and make sure there aren't any blatant mistakes. I QC when the guys are backed up, which is why my grammar needs to be just as good as theirs.
 
Man... one day I'll own a SLO... :aww:
Still long to play on one, anyone in the Chicago area own one? I'll bring your booze of choice if I can have 5 minutes with it :D :lol: :LOL:
 
Love ya Code001. :thumbsup:

I did actually allow that my professor could be wrong. I simply said that I would follow what I was taught from a PHD Princeton Professor over grammatical rules and styles of today - unless I was instructed to do otherwise by my employer or University. I allowed that the rules might have changed, or were open to different interpretations. But again, it is how I was taught, and it has served me well. And dependent on the level of Academia or Journalism it would sway my opinion on which would hold to a stricter grammatical rule. And honestly, like us, they probably will never have a unanimous consensus. And because someone writes an article stating "ly" adverbs were over used at one point, does not mean that everyone agrees with those sentiments - no matter how many sources are cited. Like statistics, sources can be manipulated to fit the crime. ;) This only further illustrates my point that language is fluid and ever changing. There maybe no "right" answer. So, I will work within the rules set forth by my superiors, and excepted by their peers, because that makes my life easier. :thumbsup:

I do understand your point, I just happen to believe there is a different view to yours. Even at the expense of being called a grammar Nazi. :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

And the SLO is great at lower volumes, even sans the clips. :rock:
 
I loved my SLO, but for live use it wasn't practical. It really sounds it's best opened up, I did that a club gig once and you could see a swath of destruction radiating out from my cab. :) Just kidding. ;)

Reason why I sold mine - the fx loop sucks, Clean channel wasn't that great, and at that price point, I need to be able to at least be happy with more than half of what it does. Wouldn't mind getting another one or finding someone local with one so I can Kemperize it. :)

Pete
 
supersonic":7f6x3mdq said:
Heres' my take;
A SLO.
An S.L.O.
A Super Lead Overdrive.

THIS :rock:
If your saying the letters S-L-O then I think "an" is correct. Maybe that's what people are doing,saying the letters S L O instead of the word SLO. That would explain it.
 
BrokenFusion":39jzfjzd said:
supersonic":39jzfjzd said:
Heres' my take;
A SLO.
An S.L.O.
A Super Lead Overdrive.

THIS :rock:
If your saying the letters S-L-O then I think "an" is correct. Maybe that's what people are doing,saying the letters S L O instead of the word SLO. That would explain it.
Yes that's my take as well. But then I'm an idiot for daring to think my SLO sounds good at TV volume...so yeah. :D
 
I ended up having to sell my SLO because i could never get the grammar right when telling people about it. I would say 'hey man, guess what I just got?! An SLO!," and then, they'd tell me that what I actually got was "A SLO." and eventually it just got to be too much. I started getting into a lot of fights, and withdrawn in general. Sad times.



Actually, I never sold it. Still have it. Love it. (at both loud AND quiet levels). :D
 
reverymike":vdztpxve said:
I ended up having to sell my SLO because i could never get the grammar right when telling people about it. I would say 'hey man, guess what I just got?! An SLO!," and then, they'd tell me that what I actually got was "A SLO." and eventually it just got to be too much. I started getting into a lot of fights, and withdrawn in general. Sad times.



Actually, I never sold it. Still have it. Love it. (at both loud AND quiet levels). :D
:lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:
 
glpg80":1jx6f5u1 said:
jcj":1jx6f5u1 said:
glpg80":1jx6f5u1 said:
jcj":1jx6f5u1 said:
You rat bastards are making me want another SLO.....fuckers..... :doh: :lol: :LOL:

IMHO i thought your peters hydra sounded better. I just ran across those videos a day or so ago :D :rock:

Dude.....I completely forgot about those videos.....that was Cyndicate's amp, and it was kiiller :rock:

I was so many beers down when we were playing those things, it was a miracle I could play anything :lol: :LOL:

Hell i knew it was you playing but you're being too generous, you were ripping the fretboard to shreds and it sounded KILLER :lol: :LOL:

I was researching some peters clips and came across that one, and i was like holy hell i never knew Josh owned a peters :lol: :LOL: :rock:




Those both sound really, really good, but the SLO is just so alive! It sounds perfect to me. I'm going to spend some time with a modified SLO late spring or early summer. Can't wait!
 
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