KISS will not play HOF induction ceremony.

[Shark Diver]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

 

[blackba]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

Agreed, it may seem to be all about the show to KISS, but you have to have songs to back it up. If the songs aren't there, a cool show will not take you where KISS made it to in terms of popularity and album sales.

If you don't like KISS's music, no problem, just say that. It is possible to like KISS's music and not have ever seen them live. I fall into that category as I am sure many others do too.

 

[TrueTone500]

Some bands are live, and some are studio... KISS is a live band. Nothing technical, and that's just fine with me. I'm not a fan of KISS recorded, but the live experience was like no other! I love Ace's solo record, and Love Gun was a good studio recording. Love em or hate em... If you attended a KISS show, you were entertained!

 

[skoora]

Hey Elder!. You were the bomb in Phantoms yo!

This solo and groove are killer

One of my favorite songs is actually off Unmasked
Nasty attitude and great Lyrics

Another killer song from their supposedly sucky period

 

[romanianreaper]

I will not disagree that KISS is known for their shows, the makeup, and the aura but there are a lot of great KISS songs that suffer from just being dated. Songs like "Cold Gin", "Parasite", "Dr. Love", etc. are great songs. Yes there are songs like "Let's put the X in Sex" that make me want to hurl but there are some good ones.

 

[lettmusic]

Fuck them and fuck the R&R HOF too

 

[Chris6870]

Another killer song from their supposedly sucky period

I really liked the Dynasty era. I wore the shit out of the 8 track.

 

[C1-ocaster]

There is no denying Ace's influence as a player or Kiss' music selling in (probably) the hundreds of millions by now...4 guys from NY that found a way to make it despite the odds, you gotta respect that...it's an American success story...you may not like the music, but there's no denying that it resonated with the public for a long time.

Absolutely. Not denying that at all. As I said, Kudo's to them for creating the HUGE rock show.
As for influence, sure on some guitarists, but there are plenty who wanted nothing from him in terms of guitar playing.
And yes, as I said I don't like the music, which is simply an expression of what I like. Others absolutely do like KISS's music that's their expression of what they like.
Peace.

 

[C1-ocaster]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

You gotta read the post for what it is, my opinion.
It doesn't have to be your's as you have your own mind.
Just because my opinion is not the popular sentiment doesn't make it any less valid.
For me KISS is a big rock show. The music does nothing for me other than wanting to change the station.
It's not that's it's simple, I just don't like it. AC/DC are a "simple" music rock band and I love their music.

As for you later comment, c'mon that's a straw man argument.

 

[C1-ocaster]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

If you don't like KISS's music, no problem, just say that.

I did.

 

[Shark Diver]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

You gotta read the post for what it is, my opinion.
It doesn't have to be your's as you have your own mind.
Just because my opinion is not the popular sentiment doesn't make it any less valid.
For me KISS is a big rock show. The music does nothing for me other than wanting to change the station.
It's not that's it's simple, I just don't like it. AC/DC are a "simple" music rock band and I love their music.

As for you later comment, c'mon that's a straw man argument.

I wasn't referring to your post specifically at all, but the character of the whole thread.

And saying that "if it's so easy do it", is not a straw man argument.

It matters not to me if you like KISS. Or who anyone likes or dislikes. Their is no validity in opinions, just perspective.

 

[C1-ocaster]

How is it not about the music? Evidently a few of their songs are still around 40 years later. So, it's simple. So was Elvis, Buddy Holly, most of the Beatles, Tom Petty, AC/DC, etc. They wrote tunes that people hum and sing as they work, walk down the street, at parties and weddings. How many people here have done anything close to that. As Petty said, "if it's so easy why aren't you doing it"?

You gotta read the post for what it is, my opinion.
It doesn't have to be your's as you have your own mind.
Just because my opinion is not the popular sentiment doesn't make it any less valid.
For me KISS is a big rock show. The music does nothing for me other than wanting to change the station.
It's not that's it's simple, I just don't like it. AC/DC are a "simple" music rock band and I love their music.

As for you later comment, c'mon that's a straw man argument.

I wasn't referring to your post specifically at all, but the character of the whole thread.

And saying that "if it's so easy do it", is not a straw man argument.

It matters not to me if you like KISS. Or who anyone likes or dislikes. Their is no validity in opinions, just perspective.

Everything is a matter of opinion, except for perhaps mathematics.
If there is no validity in opinion, then all we humans do is invalid.
Hmmm...that's an interesting perspective. Not sure I agree with it.
But then that's just my opinion.

Not sure what you would consider "valid" then.
It's not like something creative can be judged the way one would judge the winner of a race where the person to cross the finish first is the winner and opinions are thus not valid.

KISS getting in to the HOF is absolutely based on people's opinions. Does it then make their inclusion not valid?

If one judges a band based on record sales or concert attendance, then there is some measure to be had.
But then, are the best selling bands the "best"?

I refer to your comment as straw man because ability, skill, or quality of one's music is not validated or invalidated by one's commercial success. I've heard tons of local Chicago area bands that are miles ahead of KISS in terms of musical ability.
But so what? That ability still didn't get them big success.
There are a lot of people "doing it", but there is more to success in the music biz than just being musically talented.

 

[Shark Diver]

I refer to your comment as straw man because ability, skill, or quality of one's music is not validated or invalidated by one's commercial success. I've heard tons of local Chicago area bands that are miles ahead of KISS in terms of musical ability.
But so what? That ability still didn't get them big success.
There are a lot of people "doing it", but there is more to success in the music biz than just being musically talented.

Well, you would have to define "ability", "skill", "success" right? Even those definitions would just be opinion. With many polar opposite opinions to those. Or some cross section of both.

But in the course of this thread many have validated, or invalidated, KISS by their perceived lack of musical ability, or perceived success. With implied definitions of either. So, I simply replied to that. Really wasn't trying to have a philosophical discussion of our individual realities, or perceptions of such.

That said - I feel ya.

 

[C1-ocaster]

I refer to your comment as straw man because ability, skill, or quality of one's music is not validated or invalidated by one's commercial success. I've heard tons of local Chicago area bands that are miles ahead of KISS in terms of musical ability.
But so what? That ability still didn't get them big success.
There are a lot of people "doing it", but there is more to success in the music biz than just being musically talented.

Well, you would have to define "ability", "skill", "success" right? Even those definitions would just be opinion. With many polar opposite opinions to those. Or some cross section of both.

But in the course of this thread many have validated, or invalidated, KISS by their perceived lack of musical ability, or perceived success. With implied definitions of either. So, I simply replied to that. Really wasn't trying to have a philosophical discussion of our individual realities, or perceptions of such.

That said - I feel ya.

It's all good.
I don't mind philosophical discussions either.
People have varying points of view and it's interesting to me to hear them.
I'm more open to other perspectives in music, and other topics, in my later years, cause when I was younger I thought I surely knew everything and I was RIGHT about everything. Since then I've discovered how wrong I was.

 

[romanianreaper]

As a huge KISS fan, I will say that the only thing more ridiculous than KISS not being in already is the other bands that are not in yet like Deep Purple, Scorpions, Iron Maiden, etc., etc.

It is amazing at how clueless people are on how huge hard rock and metal is in the world. These "fly by night" artists come and go based on what is on the radio and bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and others are still doing tours and albums each year.

 

[kalt]

Wow! Big surprise!




No offense to people who were inspired by them but KISS has always been a joke to me. I'm 44 so I also grew up in the middle of the KISS era but I was never inspired to play or write music because of them. The only thing that I have any respect for when it comes to these guys is their hard work ethic and genius marketing. Musically for me and my tastes they are lame and I like all kinds of music from simple pop tunes to complicated styles music. I just can't for the life of me find anything musically or artistically inspiring about their music. But like I always say to each his own.

Over the years I've also come to see especially Gene and Paul as deplorable greedy assholes who think way too much of themselves. Ace has simply fucked his life up with drugs and booze. The only one I feel any sympathy for is Peter.

So IMHO... I couldn't give a fuck whether they play or not since it would be waste of time.

 

[chadprsman]

HOF is probably worried that Gene/Paul would promote the recent albums, and play songs that NO one would know(paladia concert was unwatchable with mostly new songs)...It was the original KISS that got nominated, not the replacements or the makeupless uglies.
History shows that Gene thinks he is THE MAN. I still contend that Gene/Paul would not have been able to carry on if the re-union tour didn't take place in '96. KISS is polarizing, not for everyone- but moved me as a 12 year old boy with a pos acoustic in the closet...calling Dr. Love

 

[Zap]

Fuck them and fuck the R&R HOF too

Ditto!

 

[paulyc]

I agree about the reunion tour in '96 for sure, and it's a shame that Ace and Peter didn't exploit that to the hilt as far as percentages and pay were concerned...Kiss would have been on the ropes (if not down for the count)...but to say that comment about the makeupless uglies...Vinnie, Eric Carr, and Bruce Kulick (and Mark St. John) saved them through the 80's metal generation, where they had been seen as old school before, so the '96 tour wouldn't have had a chance to happen without those guys and the tunes they wrote (Vinnie for sure). The Vinnie Vincent era is my favorite Kiss era, but I'm sure I'm in the minority of Kiss fans for sure.

 

[TrueTone500]