Kurt Cobain death a homicide??

[Floyd Eye]

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...piral-the-last-days-of-nirvanas-leader-99797/

He even had a suicide attempt in Rome that year. This article says the door to the room was barricaded from the inside with a stool as well

Which he denied was a suicide attempt. Nevertheless, I am not denying he was depressed. Heroin will do that to a mother fucker. Nowhere in that story did I read anything that said he was diagnosed as clinically depressed as a teen or received any sort of medical diagnosis of depression prior to becoming a junkie.

 

[EXPcustom]

Point out something glaringly stupid in the article, his left hand was "clean" because he was supposed to have had it on the barrel closest to his face. They seem to overlook he was a lefty as we all know.

The other "facts" are circumstantial at best, if you ever fired a gun inside a room the shell or casing can end up anywhere also remember he was a bad drug addict so his opioid tolerance was high. A opioid tolerant person can consume a large amount of opioids compared to a non tolerant person. So yes the levels in his blood could of killed you or me but someone that was using IV drugs daily for months or years would barely affect them.

 

[Fiesta Red]

Are these the same window-lickers who say Hendrix, Morrison, Janis Joplin, Roy Buchanan were all murdered too?

 

[Laputan Machine]

And they say 'he had way more heroin than even a normal heroin user,' but normal heroin users aren't worth 40 million dollars spending $15k on heroin a month. He had the funds to go way beyond.

 

[EXPcustom]

Which he denied was a suicide attempt. Nevertheless, I am not denying he was depressed. Heroin will do that to a mother fucker. Nowhere in that story did I read anything that said he was diagnosed as clinically depressed as a teen or received any sort of medical diagnosis of depression prior to becoming a junkie.

Dude he grew up in the 70's, it's NOT like today where mental health is taken seriously at a young age and theyre handing out diagnosis like candy from "ADHD" to "on the spectrum" that didn't even exist back then. Only time a kid went to the doctor before they were 18 was if they broke a limb or needed stitches, if you were bad at school it was because you were a dummy back then.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Dude he grew up in the 70's, it's NOT like today where mental health is taken seriously at a young age and theyre handing out diagnosis like candy from "ADHD" to "on the spectrum" that didn't even exist back then. Only time a kid went to the doctor before they were 18 was if they broke a limb or needed stitches, if you were bad at school it was because you were a dummy back then.

That was my whole point dude.

 

[EXPcustom]

That was my whole point dude.

I wasn't directly disagreeing with your post I was just giving a perspective for younger people to understand what the 70's were like when it came to young people and mental health issues.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Point out something glaringly stupid in the article, his left hand was "clean" because he was supposed to have had it on the barrel closest to his face. They seem to overlook he was a lefty as we all know.

The other "facts" are circumstantial at best, if you ever fired a gun inside a room the shell or casing can end up anywhere also remember he was a bad drug addict so his opioid tolerance was high. A opioid tolerant person can consume a large amount of opioids compared to a non tolerant person. So yes the levels in his blood could have killed you or me but someone that was using IV drugs daily for months or years would barely affect them.

I fire more shotgun shells in a week than most people do in their lives. Doesn’t change the fact that where the ejection port is located is gonna limit where the shell flies.

The placement of his left hand was according to the cops and investigators. All the article does is point out the impossibility of it being clean.

And you don’t know shit about heroin. Lol.


Let me rephrase that, since I didn’t mean to sound like a dick. You can be a 20’year heroin addict and that doesn’t mean you can do a massive amount of heroin because your tolerance is high. Shooting heroin is not like prescription pills.

 

[Floyd Eye]

I wasn't directly disagreeing with your post I was just giving a perspective for younger people to understand what the 70's were like when it came to young people and mental health issues.

The odds of him being diagnosed clinically depressed as a teen are almost zero.

 

[theclev]

I did a deep dive on this topic years ago, and I'm glad it continues to be investigated.

Based on what I learned, the suicide narrative has an awful lot of holes in it.

 

[EXPcustom]

I fire more shotgun shells in a week than most people do in their lives. Doesn’t change the fact that where the ejection port is located is gonna limit where the shell flies.

The placement of his left hand was according to the cops and investigators. All the article does is point out the impossibility of it being clean.

And you don’t know shit about heroin. Lol.


Let me rephrase that, since I didn’t mean to sound like a dick. You can be a 20’year heroin addict and that doesn’t mean you can do a massive amount of heroin because your tolerance is high. Shooting heroin is not like prescription pills.

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm 46 years old, I know and have worked with Kurt's friends. I have one of his preamps and poweramps along with flight cases with "Music Bank" stenciled on them from the "In Utero" tour in the next room.

These are all nonsense conspiracy theories, he offed himself and that's all there is to it.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm 46 years old, I know and have worked with Kurt's friends. I have one of his preamps and poweramps along with flight cases with "Music Bank" stenciled on them from the "In Utero" tour in the next room.

These are all nonsense conspiracy theories, he offed himself and that's all there is to it.

Because you own one of his preamps and work with people who claim to be his friends you’re an authority ? Lol.

You’re 12 years younger than him and you don’t understand shit about shooting heroin or shotguns, I can tell you that.

 

[EXPcustom]

The odds of him being diagnosed clinically depressed as a teen are almost zero.

Not disagreeing with you on that point. 70's were a bad time to grow up with mental health issues as they went undiagnosed.

 

[Floyd Eye]

Not disagreeing with you on that point. 70's were a bad time to grow up with mental health issues as they went undiagnosed.

It’s worse now.


You were born in what, 1980 ?

 

[EXPcustom]

Because you own one of his preamps and work with people who claim to be his friends you’re an authority ? Lol.

You’re 12 years younger than him and you don’t understand shit about shooting heroin or shotguns, I can tell you that.

The shotgun he used was a BAR licensed version, it was semi auto. Based on the design of John Moses Browning. I have shot many different versions of this design and the shell goes flying and you fire it inside a room it can end up anywhere. Coming back from the range I find shell casing from my semi autos in weird places from my shooting bag to pockets and inside the hood of my hoodie.

As for heroin, I think you can say I'm well versed as I found a coworker overdosed as in dead, in the music business I've seen cray shit, I seen this old junkie take 3 grams of black tar and shoot it right into his PICC line. Didn't even phase him. I've seen people with monster habits shooting a half piece a day. I'm glad I'm out of the business and left with no bad habits myself.

Edited to add, I see you think my post is funny, I wish I could find humor in the death of my coworker and best friend just as humous.

 

[Floyd Eye]

The shotgun he used was a BAR licensed version, it was semi auto. Based on the design of John Moses Browning. I have shot many different versions of this design and the shell goes flying and you fire it inside a room it can end up anywhere. Coming back from the range I find shell casing from my semi autos in weird places from my shooting bag to pockets and inside the hood of my hoodie.

As for heroin, I think you can say I'm well versed as I found a coworker overdosed as in dead, in the music business I've seen cray shit, I seen this old junkie take 3 grams of black tar and shoot it right into his PICC line. Didn't even phase him. I've seen people with monster habits shooting a half piece a day. I'm glad I'm out of the business and left with no bad habits myself.

No dude, it can’t end up anywhere. Least of all on the opposite side of the ejection port. You think it ejects so hard it hit the wall on the other side of the room, bounced back and landed a couple feet on the opposite side of him ? And you seem to be comparing pistol shells in your range bag to a shotgun hull.

And finding dead junkies doesn’t make you an authority on that either, trust me. I’ve found more than a couple dead junkies, it doesn’t mean shit. Have you ever shot heroin ? Lived with an addict ? To assume any junkie could do that much heroin and still shoot that shotgun is almost laughable.

Frankly the way you described the Remington model 11 and the shells flying really makes me think you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. Other than what you could quickly google. lol.

 

[OldGtrGuy]

There was some documentary about it done around the late 90’s where a dude went around asking people who lived around and knew Kirk. I seem to remember a whole lot of stuff in that doc linking Courtney Love to everything.

Yep I remember that. Rumors also said he was trying to divorce her right before his death.

Not saying she did it, who knows. Definitely not me. But I can see the raging wh0re cunt in her eyes. She basically fucked her way to stardom and also cheated on Kurt so they say.

 

[thegame]

Nothing to hear here folks…

 

[OldGtrGuy]

The sad thing is, Kurt could have had almost any woman he wanted, but he chose Courtney.

He was a simp. Sad but true.

But he was young and sometimes the evil can get ahold of you

 

[EXPcustom]

No dude, it can’t end up anywhere. Least of all on the opposite side of the ejection port. You think it ejects so hard it hit the wall on the other side of the room, bounced back and landed a couple feet on the opposite side of him ? And you seem to be comparing pistol shells in your range bag to a shotgun hull.

And finding dead junkies doesn’t make you an authority on that either, trust me. I’ve found more than a couple dead junkies, it doesn’t mean shit. Have you ever shot heroin ? Lived with an addict ? To assume any junkie could do that much heroin and still shoot that shotgun is almost laughable.

Frankly the way you described the Remington model 11 and the shells flying really makes me think you have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. Other than what you could quickly google. lol.

At this point it's like arguing with a flat earther, by the way the dead 'junkie" I found made the news you know because he was just some "junkie", oh yeah lets not forget that Axle Rose mentioned his death in press release that was published in Rolling Stone.

Ask any of the senoir members that know me on this forum. I talk out my ass and don't know what I'm talking about especially firearms and the music business.