Learning Triad stuff?

[DanTravis62]

What about it? I'm sure it would be good to know, but not sure if this is really what I'm confused about. I think what I'm really trying to do is learn how to intuitively know how to cluster triad shapes in or very close to a specific position. I'm ok now at moving around and arpeggiating triads (barely, just getting it last few days" but I really want to be able to stay in one position and know quickly which inversion or shape to use for each chord if I stay put.

I think what the jerk is getting at, is that if you don't know/can't derive the chords from major and minor scales, you don't know the triads and vice-versa. They are inexorably linked. There's no way to just "use" and "know" triads without it.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

I think what the jerk is getting at, is that if you don't know/can't derive the chords from major and minor scales, you don't know the triads and vice-versa. They are inexorably linked. There's no way to just "use" and "know" triads without it.

Even more than that, each one of those chords is a language unto itself within the key.

 

[pipelineaudio]

I think what the jerk is getting at, is that if you don't know/can't derive the chords from major and minor scales, you don't know the triads and vice-versa. They are inexorably linked. There's no way to just "use" and "know" triads without it.

Ahh that makes sense. I don't know that I have any trouble with the theory. I can easily lay out any of these very quickly on a piano keyboard, its more dealing with the fact that I have six pianos going at once and how to muscle memory these shapes onto the guitar's tuning system

 

[DanTravis62]

Ahh that makes sense. I don't know that I have any trouble with the theory. I can easily lay out any of these very quickly on a piano keyboard, its more dealing with the fact that I have six pianos going at once and how to muscle memory these shapes onto the guitar's tuning system

That totally makes sense. The only way to really do it is through muscle memory - you can't "learn" it through JUST visualization or something, or at least I couldn't. That's why most people pick 3NPS or CAGED as a tool for mapping it out

 

[pipelineaudio]

I've been following the links suggested here and went down some rabbit holes.. Something helping me a lot so far is the suggestion from a Guthrie Trapp rabbit hole from the similar CAGED thread in this forum where he suggested playing songs you already know that you use root fifth chords on, but instead to use the major and minor triads instead and get used to playing them around the neck....Holy crap some regular old metal songs take one a DRASTICALLY different flavor when you add that third! Very col and I think its drilling the shapes into my head better

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

I've been following the links suggested here and went down some rabbit holes.. Something helping me a lot so far is the suggestion from a Guthrie Trapp rabbit hole from the similar CAGED thread in this forum where he suggested playing songs you already know that you use root fifth chords on, but instead to use the major and minor triads instead and get used to playing them around the neck....Holy crap some regular old metal songs take one a DRASTICALLY different flavor when you add that third! Very col and I think its drilling the shapes into my head better

I’m sure you’re familiar with this box. Same box twice, Note name and scale degree of major scale.

The C major scale or any major scale for that matter is built of this pattern of whole and half steps.

W-W-W-h-W-W-h
C D E F G A B
There is a half step between the major third and fourth and major seventh and the octave.

Seven diatonic (in key) chords can be derived from each successive scale degree.

And simply put, a new triad is built from each degree in the scale, using every other scale degree forward.

C D E F G A B

C E G B - CM 7

D F A C - Dm7

E G B D - Em7

And so on and so forth through each scale degree.

CM7 Dm7 Em7 FM7 Gdom7 Am7 B∅.
See the pattern emerge… I tried to stagger each chord as it cycles through each new mode but the formatting on this page would let me do it from my iPhone.

So now build each shape by interval or note across the fretboard of the C pattern. All the chords are are in there and their inversions in one box.

 

[TheBiggestJerk]

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I’m sure you’re familiar with this box. Same box twice, Note name and scale degree of major scale.

The C major scale or any major scale for that matter is built of this pattern of whole and half steps.

W-W-W-h-W-W-h
C D E F G A B
There is a half step between the major third and fourth and major seventh and the octave.

Seven diatonic (in key) chords can be derived from each successive scale degree.

And simply put, a new triad is built from each degree in the scale, using every other scale degree forward.

C D E F G A B

C E G B - CM 7

D F A C - Dm7

E G B D - Em7

And so on and so forth through each scale degree.

CM7 Dm7 Em7 FM7 Gdom7 Am7 B∅.
See the pattern emerge… I tried to stagger each chord as it cycles through each new mode but the formatting on this page would let me do it from my iPhone.

So now build each shape by interval or note across the fretboard of the C pattern. All the chords are are in there and their inversions in one box.

For shits and grins look at the language of Am7 over that box and by extension the fretboard. All the caged pattern vertically are there.

 

[pipelineaudio]

Oh man that is EXACTLY it thank you! I am trying to play Holy Diver using triads and it is nightmare fuel. With these visualisations I can see where I could go vertical when horizontal loses my position. I’ll try that.