Looks like I'll have to get one of those Axe-FXs too

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I'm confused... Is the assertion that an Axe-Fx through headphones not have the thump of a 100w tube half-stack? My Axe through a Mesa power amp and 2 cabs sounds every bit as big as my JCM800...

There are lots of menu's, but I have been able to dial in a good (usable) amp tone pretty quick most of the time (20 minutes) and then do final tweaks after I get used to the sound. And it sounds and feels a whole lot better a Vypyr (which is my home practice amp).

Not saying that the Axe is for everyone, but I can say that for me, it is at the top of my amp heap.
 
nbarts":cjtfb2q2 said:
I'd like to listen to your clip.
No point now - it is already tainted by the fact you know it is the Axe. The power of suggestion is massive. If I'd recorded my real PeaceMaker and told everybody it was the Axe, I would have gotten a bunch of "sounds digital" posts...

Steve
 
sah5150":2olxj5yn said:
. ...........The power of suggestion is massive. ..


*cough BBE 482I Cough*.....
the power of suggestion is massive....... :yes:
 
nbarts":2kmc75u8 said:
... and I'm not happy about it all, but that seems to be the only reasonable way I can think of to make music in an apartment. I can't stand that digital hi-mid sheen of that unit & I was wondering if anyone tried running their amp's effect send through that thing & if it was any good.



:aww: Hey don't get too down on yourself :lol: :LOL:

Everyone comes around to the Axe Fx sooner or later. :lol: :LOL:

Its all good..... we will still consider you a tube hugger :lol: :LOL:

AXE FX haters unit!!!! :jedi: :force:


Seriously though other options:

Amplitube 3
Eleven rack plugin
Guitar rig 4
Isolation cab for your amp
Attenuator/load box/direct out
Line 6 pod pro
 
mysticaxe":1g9fs56t said:
I'm confused... Is the assertion that an Axe-Fx through headphones not have the thump of a 100w tube half-stack? My Axe through a Mesa power amp and 2 cabs sounds every bit as big as my JCM800...

There are lots of menu's, but I have been able to dial in a good (usable) amp tone pretty quick most of the time (20 minutes) and then do final tweaks after I get used to the sound. And it sounds and feels a whole lot better a Vypyr (which is my home practice amp).

Not saying that the Axe is for everyone, but I can say that for me, it is at the top of my amp heap.

What was said in this thread by more then a few people can be catagorized under Logical Fallacies.

Im also in agreeance with you that the Axe-FX is for everyone( nor is any piece of gear for that matter) But Ive got to laugh at some of the comments here :lol: :LOL:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)
 
Gainfreak":3123fwri said:
mysticaxe":3123fwri said:
I'm confused... Is the assertion that an Axe-Fx through headphones not have the thump of a 100w tube half-stack? My Axe through a Mesa power amp and 2 cabs sounds every bit as big as my JCM800...

There are lots of menu's, but I have been able to dial in a good (usable) amp tone pretty quick most of the time (20 minutes) and then do final tweaks after I get used to the sound. And it sounds and feels a whole lot better a Vypyr (which is my home practice amp).

Not saying that the Axe is for everyone, but I can say that for me, it is at the top of my amp heap.

What was said in this thread by more then a few people can be catagorized under Logical Fallacies.

Im also in agreeance with you that the Axe-FX is for everyone( nor is any piece of gear for that matter) But Ive got to laugh at some of the comments here :lol: :LOL:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

I'm curious as to what you saw were logical fallacies.

donbarzini":3123fwri said:
Gainfreak":3123fwri said:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

about me not being any good? you bitch!

:lol: :LOL:
 
ejecta":1g8nqzvy said:
Gainfreak":1g8nqzvy said:
mysticaxe":1g8nqzvy said:
I'm confused... Is the assertion that an Axe-Fx through headphones not have the thump of a 100w tube half-stack? My Axe through a Mesa power amp and 2 cabs sounds every bit as big as my JCM800...

There are lots of menu's, but I have been able to dial in a good (usable) amp tone pretty quick most of the time (20 minutes) and then do final tweaks after I get used to the sound. And it sounds and feels a whole lot better a Vypyr (which is my home practice amp).

Not saying that the Axe is for everyone, but I can say that for me, it is at the top of my amp heap.

What was said in this thread by more then a few people can be catagorized under Logical Fallacies.

Im also in agreeance with you that the Axe-FX is for everyone( nor is any piece of gear for that matter) But Ive got to laugh at some of the comments here :lol: :LOL:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

I'm curious as to what you saw were logical fallacies.

donbarzini":1g8nqzvy said:
Gainfreak":1g8nqzvy said:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

about me not being any good? you bitch!

:lol: :LOL:

Almost Everything that was written by GLP.
 
Gainfreak":fnm9f47n said:
ejecta":fnm9f47n said:
Gainfreak":fnm9f47n said:
mysticaxe":fnm9f47n said:
I'm confused... Is the assertion that an Axe-Fx through headphones not have the thump of a 100w tube half-stack? My Axe through a Mesa power amp and 2 cabs sounds every bit as big as my JCM800...

There are lots of menu's, but I have been able to dial in a good (usable) amp tone pretty quick most of the time (20 minutes) and then do final tweaks after I get used to the sound. And it sounds and feels a whole lot better a Vypyr (which is my home practice amp).

Not saying that the Axe is for everyone, but I can say that for me, it is at the top of my amp heap.

What was said in this thread by more then a few people can be catagorized under Logical Fallacies.

Im also in agreeance with you that the Axe-FX is for everyone( nor is any piece of gear for that matter) But Ive got to laugh at some of the comments here :lol: :LOL:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

I'm curious as to what you saw were logical fallacies.

donbarzini":fnm9f47n said:
Gainfreak":fnm9f47n said:
Ive also witnessed first hand what Steve(sah5150) is saying ;)

about me not being any good? you bitch!

:lol: :LOL:

Almost Everything that was written by GLP.

Gotcha! :thumbsup:
 
People seem really polarized by the AxeFx. I dunno, I'm fortunate enough to have a tube amp to record with, and a living situation that allows for it now.... when i started recording, I was using a Pod XT pro, and while I wasn't overly thrilled with the tone of it (which of course led me to start buying amps again), I can truly say that there are days I wish I still had it.

Being able to hit record at 3am in stealth mode is wonderful.
 
Have you looked at a something like Recabinet? IMO, the best silent recording you can do would be to use the send on one of your tube amps into simulated power / cab sections. Did it for a while, and it's not like a great tube amp, but it works.

I think part of the reason the Axe-FX does well is because of cab designs / micing. If you put the Axe-FX into a solid state power amp (for transparency) into a 4x12 with, say, G12Ms, a great tube amp would slay it. If you want very good, consistent tone that can be recorded with ease and silently, the Axe-FX is worth it.
 
sah5150":9krljzhs said:
glpg80":9krljzhs said:
sebby123":9krljzhs said:
glpg80":9krljzhs said:
reasonable? reasonable would be save the cash - run a bandit 112 with a G-major and pocket over $1,500

the axe-fx is overrated - and for $2,000 - the above recommendation is much more reasonable at the volumes you will be playing :D

Im curious if youve owned one? With some tweaking the unit is amazing and well worth it for what nbarts needs it for. If youve owned one then great your intitiled to your opnion but ive come to the conclusion that hating the axe fx has become a common thread on this forum, And i think its Bullshit as most of the people that rag on it wont give it the light of day. Its a amazing unit but some people like to read forums and make judgements then to try stuff out themselves.

ive played one.

tweaking is not what i enjoy for one, secondly it has no balls, punch, thump, rattle the organs in your chest/make you say wow, and 3 - i didnt like the feedback from it - the give and take a regular tube preamp has when moderately cranked. it felt like i was playing a modeler, which ironically is exactly what it is. not only do you have to spend countless hours dialing in modeled tones that sound great, it still "felt" like i was playing my vypyr, only with more menues, more choices, and better modeling tone - but also $1600 more expensive. i dont believe the tonal difference is worth it by a long shot.


why would i make such a strong judgement without playing one? at $2,000 my expectations bar and critiquing level goes sky high. like i said before, it is grossly overrated on this forum. it is good at modeling, and that is all it is good at. nothing else... :)
You are completely off base here. Number one, you say it is good at modeling and nothing else. Please!! - I would pay the price just for the incredible digital effects you get from the unit. It is easily the equal of far more expensive Eventide units and far easier to setup. In my W/D/W setup with my Egnater amp, VHT power amp and cabs, it sounds simply incredible as an effects unit.

Additionally, I assure you that if you came to my house and listened to my presets (created with never more than an hour or so of tweaking), through my VHT power amp volumed UP and my stereo 4x12, I assure you the tone you'd hear would have plenty of balls, punch, thump, rattle the organs in your chest/make you say wow. And this is from a guy that loves real tube amps and will still continue to use them. The Axe is just another tool - it is fine with me that it isn't for everybody (neither is any particular tube amp) - but to dismiss it outright as nothing more than a good modeler is ridiculous...

It delivers the goods for me... period...

Steve

+1 indeed :yes:
 
Rogue":vfqunhj4 said:
shred-o-holic":vfqunhj4 said:
Just how long did this supposed "tryout" occur I wonder? Did you read the manual?
2-3 months for me. I read the online manual, beginner tips, much of the wiki page, and browsed the Fractal forum before the amp arrived. I tried out, meaning tweaked, tweaked, mixed IRs, and tweaked some more for the whole time I owned it. I agree with just about everything he wrote.

Then congratulations.......you are prolly in the one percentile of agreement with people who have supposedly "spent countless hours tweaking it"... :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup:
 
TheMagicEight":2ath77c1 said:
I think part of the reason the Axe-FX does well is because of cab designs / micing. If you put the Axe-FX into a solid state power amp (for transparency) into a 4x12 with, say, G12Ms, a great tube amp would slay it. If you want very good, consistent tone that can be recorded with ease and silently, the Axe-FX is worth it.

I think this is why I didn't like it both times I tried it. I think it sounded much better at the 9.03 version, but into a solid state Carvin and a 412 cab, it just working for me. And after spending $1500, I didn't want to spend more on a decent tube power amp or monitors. But, I've like alot of the clips that I've heard, SamHill's especially, so it's operator error and commitment on my part.
 
shred-o-holic":2h5z4urk said:
Then congratulations.......you are prolly in the one percentile of agreement with people who have supposedly "spent countless hours tweaking it"... :lol: :LOL: :thumbsup:
There is no supposedly to it. :lol: :LOL: I tweaked, and retweaked, and tweaked again. I'd get something I'd like, then hear some other clip, and back to tweaking again. Bought Red Wirez and mixed them, and mixed them, and mixed them. Certainly, I had better tones from the Axe-FX than some of the crap I've recorded with a mic...but I never could get it sound as good as the good ones I captured.

I used to have an SLO and had recorded a few things that sounded real good...especially years after I sold it. :no: I tried and tried to match that tone. I probably tried to nail that tone for a week and for the life of me, I couldn't do it. There was just something missing.

I hated the bright switch with a passion...particularly on the crunchy type amps. It sort of sounded like a guitar with the pickup selector in position 2 or 4...with a bridge humbucker....a MCP 2nd degree black belt at that. So I stopped using it and tried to dial back in the treble elsewhere. That worked ok on some amps, others not so much.

I consistently struggled with a thin top end. I never could get a smooth, 3d top end out of it that I had from my prior amps. Now, don't get me wrong...a lot of "good" tube amps sound that way too. Point being, I could not dial it in there.

The beginning of the end was when I played a Spider Valve mkii at GC. I went home and played my axe through my power amp and 4x12 and I was sadly disappointed. Months of tweaking and I thought I had it all done....AGAIN. And there I was, listening to what I was playing and the only thought in my head was that it sounded cold and sterile compared to a damn Spider Valve of all things. So I sold it. Bought a Spider Valve and sold that fucker too.

I went back to tube amps. Err, should I say tube amp. A Renegade. I'm very happy I did although I do miss some things about the Axe-FX. The effects are really, really good. The reverb was fantastic. I didn't much care for the stomp pedals though. The ease of plugging in and playing into your computer. The multitude of amps to choose from (which was a downside as well).

The Axe-FX has a lot of cool things going for it and in spite of all those cool things, the base most core guitar playing experience was missing for me. I'm dumbfounded when people say the Axe-FX "feels" just like a tube amp. Not a plexi...not even close. The "sounds" like I can understand because for a digital modeling device, it's does sound pretty good. But the feel? I never saw it. Perhaps on a high gain model...not on something like a plexi or JCM800.


My advice is simple. Buy one if you want and try it....but DO NOT sell your amp to do it. :D
 
donbarzini":1jcylvuy said:
which firmware? the newest one is supposed to be realer than the ones that were supposed to be the realist.


Actually, the AxeFx shark has been jumped.....Bugera is releasing an amp thats modeling the most used digital AxeFx models. Its available as a head or combo.
 
* velcro-fly *":1nswlche said:
donbarzini":1nswlche said:
which firmware? the newest one is supposed to be realer than the ones that were supposed to be the realist.


Actually, the AxeFx shark has been jumped.....Bugera is releasing an amp thats modeling the most used digital AxeFx models. Its available as a head or combo.
You really think Behringer/Bugera having yet another product that is based on some one else's stuff is gonna be the same?
 
Atropos_Project":2kyt20cu said:
People seem really polarized by the AxeFx. I dunno, I'm fortunate enough to have a tube amp to record with, and a living situation that allows for it now.... when i started recording, I was using a Pod XT pro, and while I wasn't overly thrilled with the tone of it (which of course led me to start buying amps again), I can truly say that there are days I wish I still had it.

Being able to hit record at 3am in stealth mode is wonderful.
See, the thing is that some of us have those options, and still like the Axe-Fx enough to use it as well...
 
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