Dan Gleesak
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Read up on the Biogen Conderence in Boston if want a better picture of covid in Massachusetts in early 2020.
Malaria vaccine breakthrough: New cheap, option backed by WHO - BBC News
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Bad Brain
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I wish that I had no clue about it, and I'm sure I wouldn't have if not for the deliberately exaggerated response, including, I don't know... crazy people telling us we couldn't leave our homes, some livelihoods were more "Essential" than others, and eventually that if we wanted to work at all we'd have to take some creepy and novel injection that toyed with our cell chemistry, might have genetic effects, had never been approved before because of safety concerns, etc., but all for our "Safety" of course. And all this for something, as you acknowledge, was not experienced by many of us in the same way that you allegedly did -- just hysterically reported so on the TV.
You can claim that everyone was just doin' the best they could, but they also happened to be aggressively censoring and attacking everyone who actually knew better, objectively analyzed the data, and suggested obvious and time-tested methods of response that didn't upend the daily life of 100's of millions of people who were never at risk. Ooopsies!
Okay, so you're saying that so many people were getting sick all at once at the hospital that they suggested inducement (Glad to hear you ignored BTW), knowing the hospital might(?) be shut down due to lack of staffing. Can you clarify whether that was because of "protocols" or because so many people were actually sick though? ...If I understand, you don't have first hand knowledge that these staff at the hospital were sick all at the same time, but given the news and so on, that was plausible, and especially so given that you personally knew 12 people that were hospitalized due to the virus. If that's your experience, it was very different than much of the country experienced (Not to mention what we know because of studies about the actual risks and effects of the virus), so hopefully you can appreciate why some might be skeptical.
Dan Gleesak
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Why would our midwife, who had her own private practice, lie to me about the hospitals? What does she have to gain from this? I’m sure she would have loved to deliver our child and get paid for it. But she didn’t.
There were outbreaks at hospitals. Medical staff got very sick. Is that hard to understand? People didn’t even know how covid spread yet at that time. When I say people were getting sick faster than they could be treated it takes into consideration the current capacity of hospitals. Not every floor of a hospital is set up to quarantine. Not every room has a ventilator. And as I said before, at that time, there wasn’t even a treatment to give besides simply “try and keep people alive”
“Protocols” changed everyday because they were making them up as they went. A pandemic wasn’t issued yet, I’m not even sure if Trump declared an emergency yet at that point. It was strictly word of mouth from friends and families of people working in hospitals, and the patients being turned away. The news wasn’t running with it. Most of the world just heard some rumblings about some shit going down in China. Do some research man. Read up on covid before April 2020
Some skepticism is healthy. If we weren’t skeptical, we would have had a daughter weeks earlier than we did, but it has to be for the sake of knowledge and not agenda. you are clearly hellbent on making the pandemic out to be a scam in every way possible. You can ignore a literal world of evidence and data because you saw one dude on YouTube walking around with a cell phone. It is bias in its purist form.
Stripped Rights
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Come on Dan, stop making so much sense!
Dan Gleesak
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The quiffs over at rt.net are gonna be all a fuffle
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Dan Gleesak
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What are you asking then?
Bad Brain
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I’m asking you to clarify whether your hospital was shut down or idled because of lack of staff due to illness, or if it was an administrative decision for whatever reason(s). Is your knowledge first hand or were you told by someone, and if so, who?
Trump’s two week stay at home plan was announced 3/16/20: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/29/8219...he-u-s-and-officials-say-worse-is-yet-to-come
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Bad Brain
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Sorry dude, you wrote alot, but it’s not clear to me. I’m not saying you are, but people tend to get vague, complicated and wordy when they’re full of shit. So I’m just asking you to clarify.
Yeah, it doesn’t clearly answer my question. Are you saying that 1) your hospital closed because so many hospital staff all got sick at the same time, and 2) it was understood when inducement was suggested that because hospital staff were getting sick, the hospital would close or go to skeleton crew operation two weeks later?
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Dan Gleesak
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My hospital, and other surrounding hospitals, closed because enough medical workers were sick, that they could not staff all of the hospitals at once.
The earliest outbreak happened at the largest area hospital, so medical staff from the smaller hospitals went to work in the bigger one as needed. As more medical workers (and patients) got sick, more and more workers were pulled to work at the big hospital.
They were pulled as needed. No one snapped their fingers and shut down all the hospitals in a split second. This was an evolving situation. Like I said at that time there were no treatments yet, no rapid testing, no standardized quarantine periods, and frankly barely any knowledge of the virus. In fact, the outbreak happened because the patients coming in were treated as of it was just a respiratory virus, so very little PPE was used by the staff.
Maybe I didn’t say this explicitly before (pretty sure I did thoug), but they wanted us to induce early because they were not sure of what the hospital situation was going to be in the coming weeks, because as I said, everything was changing daily. That isn’t normal. Medical emergencies are not normal. Pandemics are not normal. It’s a big fucking deal when they happen.
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Dan Gleesak
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As relevant as anything else you’ve posted
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Bad Brain
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Do you remember the hospital dance compilation set to Macarena? I wish I could find it.
Bad Brain
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Okay, fair enough. You guys must have been hit especially hard. It's still curious to me that your local hospital seemed to know they would be basically closed in the following weeks even though they weren't closed at the time.
You're making broad statements here, which are highly contestable, if not outright wrong, as when I pointed out that Trump declared a national emergency on 3/13/20, well before you seemed to think.
watson503
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Those damn dancing TikTok nurses...what a fucking joke.
It was in January of 2021 when my friend who was living in Seattle at the time took his wife to the hospital. She was sick and they suspected 'rona was the cause, she was scared and to the hospital they went. She was admitted and he was told he was not allowed inside with her - this would be the last time he would ever see her.
He attempted to visit her and was told he was not allowed - again. About two weeks after her admittance, he received a call that they were ventilating her. Again, he tried to see her and was threatened with arrest. This happened twice more as he was worried sick and freaking out as he never imagined any of this. A week or so later he received the call that she was dead.
That was 2021 and he's still dealing with this, it really, really fucked him up as he has gone back and forth with what-if scenarios of not taking her to the hospital but the worst part is he took her to the hospital not knowing it was the last time he would ever see her and feels it is on him for going along with that decision to take her.
It was in January of 2021 when my friend who was living in Seattle at the time took his wife to the hospital. She was sick and they suspected 'rona was the cause, she was scared and to the hospital they went. She was admitted and he was told he was not allowed inside with her - this would be the last time he would ever see her.
He attempted to visit her and was told he was not allowed - again. About two weeks after her admittance, he received a call that they were ventilating her. Again, he tried to see her and was threatened with arrest. This happened twice more as he was worried sick and freaking out as he never imagined any of this. A week or so later he received the call that she was dead.
That was 2021 and he's still dealing with this, it really, really fucked him up as he has gone back and forth with what-if scenarios of not taking her to the hospital but the worst part is he took her to the hospital not knowing it was the last time he would ever see her and feels it is on him for going along with that decision to take her.
Dan Gleesak
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well even if he declared the national emergency on the 13th, that is still after our doctors brought up inducing early.
and you just aren't listening dude, I didn't say that the hospital "knew they would basically be closed". I said that they weren't sure what the hospital situation was going to be in the coming weeks. We did in fact deliver in a closed down hospital, but they did not say "we think we should induce you now because the hospital will be closed", They said "we think we should induce you early because we aren't sure what the hospital situation will be in the coming weeks". Some days I was allowed to be in the room during check ups, some days I was not, and towards the end it was straight video calls and we didn't go in until she started going in to labor.
They weren't closed at the time because, as stated previously, not everyone made the shift at once. People were pulled from hospitals as needed, as people got sick. It's super simple man. It's not that my answers aren't clear, it's that you are trying desperately to fit them to your idea that his was all planned and everyone was in on it. You gotta stop doing that man. Next thing you know you'll be posting tiktok videos to make points, and that is a sorry state to be in.
I've stated several times that we were hit hard and hit early, I even recommended you read up on the Biogen conference in Boston to give an idea of early Covid in Massachusetts. I think people forget how unclear everything was at the beginning of the pandemic, especially those that live in areas that weren't being affected yet. It was like July before they even realized it could be spread through the air. The only treatment was Hydroxychloroquine, which ironically was a Malaria treatment, and even more ironically was taken off the table because of its known heart risks. At home testing wasn't a thing and most people weren't dragging their ass out of the house to get tested. It was a hot mess. Again, read up on early covid. Read up on the timeline, see how often protocols were changing and tell me how you could think that hospital staff couldn't possibly be unsure of what their coming weeks will bring. The original “guidelines” were based off of h1n1 and Ebola guidelines, and they were adjusted as we learned about the virus
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Bad Brain
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According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/massachusetts/, by the end of March 2020 only 46 people had died and 0.12% of the state had recorded infections. But you're claiming that hospitals were closing down because so many hospital staff were sick?
