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paulyc
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Didn't Dio complain about Blackmore ? I'd take Ronnie's side in that argument FOR SURE.
GOHOINC
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Wait, Yngwie songs have vocals?
I thought him and the guitar was the whole show, like he just shredded classical licks to a backing track. I remember seeing posters and a video of him in the guitar store I went to as a kid in the mid/late eighties. It was always the same, him playing guitar and over emoting/gyrating on top of either a white, black or purple background with flame graphics coming in sometimes and a fan blowing his hair back that was always on. I really thought that is why he was famous, making guitar videos. I knew he had albums and toured but thought it was just like going to a clinic without the chit chat or learning... In that respect I've only ever heard of him as Yngwie Malmsteen, never as part of a band or promoted in any other way so I kinda have to think that these singers don't have much of a foot to stand on in this argument. At least in Van Halen, there is more than 1 person with the namesake, Anybody ever bought a Yngwie record to hear Joe Lynn Turner?
Is it mandatory that if you are in the Gold Chain and Leather Pants business that you have to sell Yngwie tapes too? On the flip side does Yngwie have a signature gold chain or leather pant line? He could be missing out on a gold mine of merchandising opportunities.
I thought him and the guitar was the whole show, like he just shredded classical licks to a backing track. I remember seeing posters and a video of him in the guitar store I went to as a kid in the mid/late eighties. It was always the same, him playing guitar and over emoting/gyrating on top of either a white, black or purple background with flame graphics coming in sometimes and a fan blowing his hair back that was always on. I really thought that is why he was famous, making guitar videos. I knew he had albums and toured but thought it was just like going to a clinic without the chit chat or learning... In that respect I've only ever heard of him as Yngwie Malmsteen, never as part of a band or promoted in any other way so I kinda have to think that these singers don't have much of a foot to stand on in this argument. At least in Van Halen, there is more than 1 person with the namesake, Anybody ever bought a Yngwie record to hear Joe Lynn Turner?
Is it mandatory that if you are in the Gold Chain and Leather Pants business that you have to sell Yngwie tapes too? On the flip side does Yngwie have a signature gold chain or leather pant line? He could be missing out on a gold mine of merchandising opportunities.
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Alex_S
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Read the response from Yngwies management. I don't know what Yngwie said, and I don't know what the press made up and if things escalated for no good reason. So I don't want to comment on that.
But I honestly think his music was much better having other strong personalities in the band like these singers, but also the Johansons, Marcel Jacob and even good producers and sound guys. This is true for other very talented guys like Blackmore (with Ronnie or Ian), the Stones, Led Zeppelin etc. Some (creative) tension produces better music. True for others, but also for Yngwie.
And this is coming from someone who generally (still) likes his music but loves the old stuff. Nevertheless, I like it less and less with every release. And actually, I never heard from anybody that thinks his stuff is getting better and better. Some stay with whats coming, most left. But I don't think many prefer the newer releases to the old.
So peace to him if he just does music for fun and has more fun as a single entertainer doing everything on his own. That is fine of course. If he wants a growing fan base again, I think he needs to revisit some of his decisions.
(and yes, Yngwie has more musical talent in his little finger than ten of me, so who am I. On the other hand, I am the one who would buy his records)
But I honestly think his music was much better having other strong personalities in the band like these singers, but also the Johansons, Marcel Jacob and even good producers and sound guys. This is true for other very talented guys like Blackmore (with Ronnie or Ian), the Stones, Led Zeppelin etc. Some (creative) tension produces better music. True for others, but also for Yngwie.
And this is coming from someone who generally (still) likes his music but loves the old stuff. Nevertheless, I like it less and less with every release. And actually, I never heard from anybody that thinks his stuff is getting better and better. Some stay with whats coming, most left. But I don't think many prefer the newer releases to the old.
So peace to him if he just does music for fun and has more fun as a single entertainer doing everything on his own. That is fine of course. If he wants a growing fan base again, I think he needs to revisit some of his decisions.
(and yes, Yngwie has more musical talent in his little finger than ten of me, so who am I. On the other hand, I am the one who would buy his records)
luther910
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Malmsteen; — "they're not more important than any other musician. And they, unfortunately, seem to think that they are. And I've kind of had it with their sort of… self-absorbed sort of way, and I'm very much against it. No. I don't like that. I don't like any of those people, and I don't like to do anything with them ever again."
So when Malmsteen delivers that kind of greetings to former bandmates, he should not be surprised when he receives as good as he gave.
So when Malmsteen delivers that kind of greetings to former bandmates, he should not be surprised when he receives as good as he gave.
romanianreaper
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I was reading thru the posts above and someone mentioned Blackmore. As everyone knows, Blackmore is Yngwie's hero so the apple does not fall too far from the tree so to speak. I love what Blackmore but like Yngwie, he is stuck in an era and thinks everyone is in on the news.
Viper
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Fuck Malmsteen.
copilot
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Malmstein will be like the FAT Elvis soon. Farting and sharting his leather pants omstage. Best to listen to his old shit.
Him singing is a joke, as is having 90 Marshall stacks when a half stack will do. He never grew musically. it's the same shtick he's done for decades.
Him singing is a joke, as is having 90 Marshall stacks when a half stack will do. He never grew musically. it's the same shtick he's done for decades.
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mdc1mdc11
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copilot":c7m9nv39 said:
Yes, like eating the same thing everyday. Gets kind of old.
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mdc1mdc11
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romanianreaper":247gcopa said:
Actually in this case I side with Blackmore as he form any fucking lineup he wants for Rainbow and he did. Turner did not like that he was not invited. Think about that, Turner picks two fights with 2 guitarists over the same thing. Job and $ to me.
Then there are the verbal attacks on Coverdale.
errrrrl
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Like many I bought Rising Force back in the day.. I personally couldn't get into it mainly cause I thought the riffs were weak when compared to fav's at that time, Maiden and Priest and later Metallica. The guy can shred though fo sho, but I'd be more impressed watching him try to pick Disposable Heroes or Chemical Warfare lol.
sytharnia1560
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mdc1mdc11":2kl7eufn said:
tell that to AC/DC
Bottom line is Yngwie has survived past his "time" where most of the others around at the time didn't. He still makes very good $$ doing his thing so why change just because some people think you need to evolve. At least he is out there doing his shit. Look at Eddie VH ... done 1 album in nearly 20yrs. Maybe eddie should become the singer in Van Halen so his output could increase
sytharnia1560
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mdc1mdc11":2uwqgm8g said:
yeah Richie gave the reason he didn't contact Joe. Said given the shows were taking place in europe he thought european audiences would want to hear a more "dio" style vocalist over an AOR guy...I totally agree with him
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Alex_S
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sytharnia1560":27pcdx25 said:
Ritchie is very different imho. Very much focused on melody and songwriting. He is (was) technical outstanding back when he was leading the pack, but that was more the bonus on the music he did. Yngwie was technique first, always. I don't even consider that bad, but he seems to have lost interest in composing at all (exception is the recording with the orchestra). Nevertheless, even Ritchie needs a RJD or Ian or JL to really shine.
Shawn Lutz
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Any vocalist that played / recorded with Yngwie didn't have the same impact on singing that YJM had on guitar playing. No one was playing like that when he came here in Steeler as a hired gun, then Alcatrazz and then his solo stuff. The guy had a profound impact on guitar playing like Hendrix, Van Halen and Rhoads before him and honestly imho there is a bunch of great players since Yngwie but nothing is considered a game changer in that regard.
I'm a big Yngwie fan up to Trilogy, I really dug the stuff he did with symphony orchestra. I'm more into instrumental music anyway but I really like Jeff Scott Soto with Yngwie.
I'm a big Yngwie fan up to Trilogy, I really dug the stuff he did with symphony orchestra. I'm more into instrumental music anyway but I really like Jeff Scott Soto with Yngwie.
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Alex_S
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Shawn Lutz":3dxizmes said:
Completely agreed, but still I found him better with a good singer.
jimo
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Alex_S":h9kudgrs said:
Totally agree with this as well. His playing and style was so developed for his age it was really remarkable actually. I'm the same age as Yngwie and alot of us actually grew up listening to the same players that influenced YJM (Blackmore, DiMeola, Uli Roth, etc). But how he put it all together with his own "voice" was something else. Not saying this gives you the right to be a dick or have a big ego BTW but we have to take it in context.
As far as him singing I haven't heard him so I can't say - BUT I just remember listening to Uli Roth sing back in the day and thinking WTF (dude, you are in a band with one of the best rock vocalists of all time (Klaus Meine) and YOU are trying to sing? but anyway it somehow reminds me of the same thing....
Collaboration is good (I realize vocalists can be difficult animals to work with
) . Yngwie should realize some of his best songs were co-written with the amazing vocalists that he's worked with over the years. Its obvious that on certain later albums Yngwie wrote all the parts and the singers were just hired guns.
Red_Label
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Having worked on stage with many bands and vocalists over the past 32 years... I can attest to the fact that LSD (Lead Singer's Disease) gets pretty old, pretty quick.
Yngwie has an ego. But that's never bothered me. Yngwie is the reason for Yngwie's success. Not JSS, not JLT, not MB, not MV, etc. Those guys are all great vocalists. But Rising Force would have still kicked ass and turned the guitar world on its ear without any vocals on it whatsoever (two vocal songs isn't exactly a vocal-oriented album). It was that game-changing (to me and untold other guitar players) when it came out in '85. Blew my mind.
Yngwie has an ego. But that's never bothered me. Yngwie is the reason for Yngwie's success. Not JSS, not JLT, not MB, not MV, etc. Those guys are all great vocalists. But Rising Force would have still kicked ass and turned the guitar world on its ear without any vocals on it whatsoever (two vocal songs isn't exactly a vocal-oriented album). It was that game-changing (to me and untold other guitar players) when it came out in '85. Blew my mind.
Red_Label
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Shawn Lutz":35dglyfb said:
Should have read the whole thread before I posted. Could have just said "DITTO!!!" to your post.
Red_Label
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copilot":2o0t866o said:
As mentioned, there are many very successful artists who've done the same thing for decades who are still doing well, when others fell by the wayside. ACDC, Maiden, Priest, etc, etc.
I was five feet from Yngwie in Vegas for the whole night in early June and he's not fat anymore. Yes, he's still YNGWIE F#CKING MALMSTEEN though. That's kind of his thing.
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mdc1mdc11":ll51kzg7 said:
Ummmmm... you just described EVERYONE from the 80s besides Rush, Maiden, ACDC, Metallica, and a few other select large venue draws. Most are playing clubs as has-beens. And that's okay. They are who they are and time moved-on. Just because Yngwie doesn't sell out arenas and stadiums doesn't take anything away from him being one of the three top rock guitar true game changers (Jimi, Eddie, and Yngwie IMO). There have been many other greats, but none that I can think of changed the game with such quick and dramatic results.
Well... I guess you could throw Kurt Cobain in there as the fourth game changer too. Even if he changed the game to complete shit and made it cool to suck at your instrument. Perhaps "game destroyer" would be more like it. Like a skunk walking into an NFL locker room and clearing the place.
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