Marshall amps

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I've often regretted going cheap vs quality on many products. I learned this lesson decades ago.
My old man instilled in me the principle of buying quality so that's what I've generally done. The problem is a lot of companies formerly known for quality cheaped out on labor or components so that's almost out the window. At this stage I would never buy a new amp from any of the major makers now. They are disposable junk and few if any of them will be operational 50-75 years from now the way all the classics are.

Ribbon wiring and pcb mounted pots is just a cheapass fail prone method of manufacture. Maybe I'll grab more Quads, Twins, and Supers down the line since they are robust, easily repaired, and affordable.
 
In the video, they talked about Jim working almost to his death; he refused to sell Marshall while he was alive because it was his name; only took his family 3 years after his death to sell it...so they probably started negotiations before Jim's body was buried....company acquisitions can take many months or years to complete. Jim also said he would never make amps anywhere else but England, and his heirs ended that quick too. Hard to think his heirs didn't value money over the company.

It just seems so disrespectful to their father, to have gotten so far away from his vision; they're dishonoring everything Jim and his company stood for.

And yes, it happens, and I don't blame them for wanting to get paid. But carrying on what their father started? C'est la vie.
 
I'm sure Jim knew this would happen. Children rarely do what the parents would do. No one could really replace Jim. Too be honest I am surprised Marshall makes any amps in England.

Is the current hardwired stuff all that different from the vintage amps ?
 
I'm sure Jim knew this would happen. Children rarely do what the parents would do. No one could really replace Jim. Too be honest I am surprised Marshall makes any amps in England.

Is the current hardwired stuff all that different from the vintage amps ?


I think many people will usually consider vintage amps superior to modern / new versions whether it's true or not. Parts, craftsmanship, manufacturing, etc. are all variables that can be used to justify what's better or not. I think even if an old and new amp wetr objectively and scientifically proven identical, wouldn't matter; most would choose the vintage amp.

I remind myself that what Hendrix, Page, etc. played back in the day were brand new amps, cabs and speakers. Marshall admitted they'd often use whatever they had around to build amps, there were inconsistencies, and why some amps sounded great and other made around the same time didn't sound as good.
 
I'm sure Jim knew this would happen. Children rarely do what the parents would do. No one could really replace Jim. Too be honest I am surprised Marshall makes any amps in England.

Is the current hardwired stuff all that different from the vintage amps ?

To me, it's not so much whether kids do what their parents would want, but rather Marshall once being a proud company that built the best amps they could and literally changed history in doing so. That company is long gone, and I find that to be a shame, unfortunately and unnecessarily. Legacy and heritage are concepts that don't mean what they used to mean and aren't as valued as they used to be.
 
To me, it's not so much whether kids do what their parents would want, but rather Marshall once being a proud company that built the best amps they could and literally changed history in doing so. That company is long gone, and I find that to be a shame, unfortunately and unnecessarily. Legacy and heritage are concepts that don't mean what they used to mean and aren't as valued as they used to be.
I worked in the funeral industry. I've seen it countless times. Times have changed for all of us.
 
It’s a weird feeling to not really care what happens to Marshall. They were and still are, the core of the sound I like for guitar, but they haven’t made anything that would be my number one amp in over 36 years. They were replaced years ago by other builders, tuned in to what made Marshall great as an amp, not as fridge maker.

Edit…I guess not to be too hard on them they have made amps that I think are pretty good like the DSL40c and Origin series but that’s partly because they’re good for their price point. But they still wouldn’t be my 1st choice, if I have a choice.
 
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It’s a weird feeling to not really care what happens to Marshall. They were and still are the core of the sound I like for guitar but they haven’t made anything that would be my number one amp in over 36 years. They were replaced years ago by other builders, tuned in to what made Marshall great as an amp, not as fridge maker.
It's sad.

I wanted a '70s hard rock Kiss / Free / AC/DC sounding amp without the hassle / cost of vintage, I got a new 1959HW, which sounds great IMO.

But the sound I wanted, I can actually get closer / better from my Engl Artist Edition E651 100W, which can also do more gain than even my JCM 900 SL-X. Still not as raw , loose and full as the 1959HW, so that gives it an edge, but I've gotten used to tighter modern amps over the last couple decades which makes the Engl sound "better" to me, at lower volumes too.

Not selling my Marshalls anytime soon tho'. I actually like my Origin 50C and DSL40CR 1x12 combos for what they are, and their price. I also have a JVM-410 which I also like a lot.
 
A reverse analogy of what happened to Marshall is what happened to cellular phones. Remember when there were limited choices for mobiles and people would keep their doohickey that could play Snake for multiple years?

The manufacturers conspired and decided that planned obsolescence was a better strategy. If you could get people to buy a phone every year or two instead of holding on to it for multiple years, there is more money to be made. That's why it's never top of the line chips or specs. They always give us tech that's a generation or two old and probably kept out of the public eye.

And that also brought about the rise of deceptive tactics like Apple suddenly claiming that their OS updates necessitated that the battery life of older models would be shortened. And when it was found out, did the anti-competition or monopoly bodies do anything? Palms must have been greased all the way up political parties *worldwide* to ensure that Apple was not forced to face a hefty lawsuit for cheating millions of people who bought their phones.

They do this in other manufacturing industries as well. Just look at how long a refrigerator will keep running these days, whereas the old ones would last for a decade or two and could be easily serviced.

In comparison, look at all the Marshalls from the 60s or at least 70s and 80s floating around. Many of them are still in service, or could be easily repaired and restored to give them several more decades of life. But while this meant that the company had a famous name for reliability and good tone, it also meant that they became victims of their own manufacturing strategy, with amp sales shrinking over the years. It's unsustainable.

Sure, you can blame the family for selling the brand and amp-making business, but if you just look at how guitar technology is evolving - we even have discussions on Rig-Talk about new modellers and guys like @DanTravis62 selling their amps and going completely digital - you'd realise that they were staring down the barrel of a gun where even the few amp models they were making would see further shrinkage going ahead.

I mean, Jim Marshall was legendary in the amp-making business. It's plausible that his children did not have the same skills or mindset to keep a business like that going. So rather than run the business into the ground, it's great that the Marshall legacy lives on for a little while longer, even if it is no longer the same company.

We're going to see lots of changes in the amp industry things continue to evolve. How many of you know a good amp tech that's local? The numbers are definitely shrinking. I don't even have one anywhere near me. That means the amps I own may become unusable in the not to distant future, and I will have no way of getting them up and running.

That's my biggest worry, along with the fact that it's becoming harder and harder to play amps loud even on stage because the times, they are a'changing.
 
A reverse analogy of what happened to Marshall is what happened to cellular phones. Remember when there were limited choices for mobiles and people would keep their doohickey that could play Snake for multiple years?

The manufacturers conspired and decided that planned obsolescence was a better strategy. If you could get people to buy a phone every year or two instead of holding on to it for multiple years, there is more money to be made. That's why it's never top of the line chips or specs. They always give us tech that's a generation or two old and probably kept out of the public eye.

And that also brought about the rise of deceptive tactics like Apple suddenly claiming that their OS updates necessitated that the battery life of older models would be shortened. And when it was found out, did the anti-competition or monopoly bodies do anything? Palms must have been greased all the way up political parties *worldwide* to ensure that Apple was not forced to face a hefty lawsuit for cheating millions of people who bought their phones.

They do this in other manufacturing industries as well. Just look at how long a refrigerator will keep running these days, whereas the old ones would last for a decade or two and could be easily serviced.

In comparison, look at all the Marshalls from the 60s or at least 70s and 80s floating around. Many of them are still in service, or could be easily repaired and restored to give them several more decades of life. But while this meant that the company had a famous name for reliability and good tone, it also meant that they became victims of their own manufacturing strategy, with amp sales shrinking over the years. It's unsustainable.

Sure, you can blame the family for selling the brand and amp-making business, but if you just look at how guitar technology is evolving - we even have discussions on Rig-Talk about new modellers and guys like @DanTravis62 selling their amps and going completely digital - you'd realise that they were staring down the barrel of a gun where even the few amp models they were making would see further shrinkage going ahead.

I mean, Jim Marshall was legendary in the amp-making business. It's plausible that his children did not have the same skills or mindset to keep a business like that going. So rather than run the business into the ground, it's great that the Marshall legacy lives on for a little while longer, even if it is no longer the same company.

We're going to see lots of changes in the amp industry things continue to evolve. How many of you know a good amp tech that's local? The numbers are definitely shrinking. I don't even have one anywhere near me. That means the amps I own may become unusable in the not to distant future, and I will have no way of getting them up and running. That's my biggest worry.


for Marshall, Vox, Mesa, Fender,... the old amp brands, it's tough to compete with modern tech and booteek tube amps, but even tougher to compete with their legacy, vintage amps from back in the day which are on the market, and we'll see even more as boomers / GenX pass away, and their gear collections come out for sale / auction.

I have too much gear, and plan a big sell off in a few years as I get older, but trying to decide what to keep isn't easy since I finally have everything I want in amps...though the new Vox AC-30 hand wired head at $2K pre-order is tempting.
 
for Marshall, Vox, Mesa, Fender,... the old amp brands, it's tough to compete with modern tech and booteek tube amps, but even tougher to compete with their legacy, vintage amps from back in the day which are on the market, and we'll see even more as boomers / GenX pass away, and their gear collections come out for sale / auction.

I have too much gear, and plan a big sell off in a few years as I get older, but trying to decide what to keep isn't easy since I finally have everything I want in amps...though the new Vox AC-30 hand wired head at $2K pre-order is tempting.

I've given up on GAS other than a Simulclass 2:90 and either a Line 6 Stadium XL or a Quad Cortex. But not this year, or anytime soon, hopefully.

My sale statistics on a second hand stuff website was $59k, and if I add Reverb sales, I must have sold $80-90k of equipment in the past ten years. Add to that the stuff I traded or bought and still have, I must have gone through $150-170k easy on musical equipment.

Got to grow up sometime, I guess.

The digital stuff is also getting really good, and I've always been a strong proponent of it since the Kemper was new, so I have to think about diminishing returns for a guy who doesn't gig, doesn't play out and exclusively jams at home by himself except for the few times I had a band that imploded due to poor professionalism, drug addictions or ego issues with the other players.

So who knows, I may wind up whittling down what little I have out of necessity and to fund cigarettes.
 
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I've given up on GAS other than a Simulclass 2:90 and either a Line 6 Stadium XL or a Quad Cortex. But not this year, or anytime soon, hopefully.

My sale statistics on a second hand stuff website was $59k, and if I add Reverb sales, I must have sold $80-90k of equipment in the past ten years. Add to that the stuff I traded or bought and still have, I must have gone through $150-170k easy on musical equipment.

Got to grow up sometime, I guess.

The digital stuff is also getting really good, and I've always been a strong proponent of it since the Kemper was new, so I have to think about diminishing returns for a guy who doesn't gig, doesn't play out and exclusively jams at home by himself except for the few times I had a band that imploded due to poor professionalism, drug addictions or ego issues with the other players.

So who knows, I may wind up whittling down what little I have out of necessity and to fund cigarettes.


I could get down to around 4-5 tube amps from the 11 I have. if I really forced myself to do it. My software plugins are what I used most, but not having a 100W tube amp would not work for me. I do need to sell several guitars, soon.

The software plugins sound very good, and given my limited space here with amps, guitars, and keyboards, including 3 organs with full pedals...space is at a premium...I'm basically out of space now.
 
I see vintage amp like I see vintage cars. Definitely cool for what they are. But most of them are in junk condition.

I sold my last Marshall in the 80's. Played on a lot of them since. But don't own one.

I think we all know Marshall is the sound. It's actually the reason we are all here. Chasing the dragon down the rabbit hole.

I have considered asking Andy Marshall to build me a amp based on a 2203 or 2204. He is building me a one off amp right now. Maybe after this one.
 
Yeah, they have. I can't imagine some of the things you've seen, but I'm glad there are people like you who can.
My tolerance for dealing with individuals in a strong emotional state or what most people consider gross is different than your average person.

It definitely was a learning experience. Mostly about how to treat others. All the self imposed titles and labels we use on ourselves and others are pretty meaningless when it comes to basic things like death. The great equalizer.
 
My main amp journey, with a few other things along the way.

Fender ---> Univox ---> Sound City --> Sunn --> Marshall ---> ADA ---> Vox ---> Engl ---> Marshall --->

currently: Marshall, Mesa, Bogner, Engl, Diezel, Fender
 
I'm sure Jim knew this would happen. Children rarely do what the parents would do. No one could really replace Jim. Too be honest I am surprised Marshall makes any amps in England.

Is the current hardwired stuff all that different from the vintage amps ?

There's also the issue that many times the children simply lack the skills to take over and run the family business. Lots of children try to do that and fail at it, losing the business. There's something to be said for knowing your limits and just cashing out of the business for what you can get out of it.
 
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