Marshall speakers and cabs...

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I have only owned one Marshall cab and two heads that I remember. The ZW halfstack and it had ev's in it. Found a really cool dude selling some marshall 1960's semi local. He has them with 75's, a few with v30's, but he keeps talking about the ones with 65 watt celestions and wanting extra for them. What speakers are they? Sorry for the noob question but I'm totally confused by them....Thanks!!!
 
If the cabs are older from late 70’s to early 80’s I think it might be these…

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Probably jcm800 cabs. The 65s were precursors to the 75s that Marshall's been using since the 80's. If it were me, I'd try the cabs out. Some 75s sound really good, some not so much.
 
Late 70s, early 80s 800 cabs feature G12-65. They do sound very good. I wouldn't pay much extra though. Depends on how much he's asking.
 
He`s talking about the Celestion Rola g12-65. The early JCM800 came with these until about serial number 10.000 to 15.000. They have less highend to tame the bright JCM800 amps, but they have very nice and full mids. I have an original g12-65 and bought an Heritage g12-65 which to me, sounds the same. @Racerxrated pointed me to the Heritage ones.
 
Jack Luminous said:
Late 70s, early 80s 800 cabs feature G12-65. They do sound very good. I wouldn't pay much extra though. Depends on how much he's asking.
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only like 50 extra for the 65 loaded cabs. like I said-just not sure what the speakers are...
 
Kelly said:
Probably jcm800 cabs. The 65s were precursors to the 75s that Marshall's been using since the 80's. If it were me, I'd try the cabs out. Some 75s sound really good, some not so much.
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hey-good to hear from you bro!!!!
 
Tom will chime in at some point but those G12-65 look minty. They tend have less sizzle/sparkle but there were several versions released over just a few years that all sound a little different. Those things have fluctuated in price it seems. At one point all the Robben Ford/Dumble fans wanted them because that's what RF used and prices were high. They have come down but some people still swear by them...some studio musicians. Some hate them due to subdued sparkle. They have a unique midrange that sounds killer and is different than the crunchy Greenback midrange. They really shine at volume.
 
It’s worth noting I absolutely hate G12-65s.

I had a cab full of them and the mids of those speakers DO NOT play nice with SLO style amps, so mesas, 5150s, and soldanos. I couldn’t sell that cab fast enough.

I use reissue G12Ms.
 
glpg80 said:
It’s worth noting I absolutely hate G12-65s.

I had a cab full of them and the mids of those speakers DO NOT play nice with SLO style amps, so mesas, 5150s, and soldanos. I couldn’t sell that cab fast enough.

I use reissue G12Ms.
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It will be paired with some kind of mesa eventually. He has a road armored avatar with v30's and I'll probably grab one of the marshalls with 75's just to have a different flavor. hell I don't know...dude runs a concert backline company....he says now everyone is running modelers and he's investing in Freidman powered wedges....
 
glpg80 said:
It’s worth noting I absolutely hate G12-65s.

I had a cab full of them and the mids of those speakers DO NOT play nice with SLO style amps, so mesas, 5150s, and soldanos. I couldn’t sell that cab fast enough.

I use reissue G12Ms.
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And I disagree big time haha….we all hear differently. Those may have been the 444 cone 65s? Many hate them. I found them just with a lot more lows than the lead cones.
65s are my fav speaker with anything I’ve owned. SLOs, any Marshall, EVH, Mesa anything, they just work. Similar to a higher power Greenback but less compressed, more open. Really magical when you put serious volume to them. They have looser lows than a V30, but not loose. Less abrasive mids/highs than a V30. No harshness at all. Some versions are brighter than others; the late 70s T3120 Marshall labels are brightest. But all sound the same really; just have to adjust the highs up/down between different models of them to get them exact. They are probably the perfect match for a Marshall imo.
 
Racerxrated said:
And I disagree big time haha….we all hear differently. Those may have been the 444 cone 65s? Many hate them. I found them just with a lot more lows than the lead cones.
65s are my fav speaker with anything I’ve owned. SLOs, any Marshall, EVH, Mesa anything, they just work. Similar to a higher power Greenback but less compressed, more open. Really magical when you put serious volume to them. They have looser lows than a V30, but not loose. Less abrasive mids/highs than a V30. No harshness at all. Some versions are brighter than others; the late 70s T3120 Marshall labels are brightest. But all sound the same really; just have to adjust the highs up/down between different models of them to get them exact. They are probably the perfect match for a Marshall imo.
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I don’t even know what they were. I even had a buddy play them and nothing we did on a 5150 and a 5150 II at band volumes made any decent tone. It sounded Marshall, but you had two mid frequencies fighting over one another. One from the cabinet and another from the amp. The highs were rolled off perfectly but it caused massive ear fatigue. I sold the cab to a member here on the forum. It was an all original 1983 G12-65 JCM800 slant. I much prefer peavey Sheffield’s over whatever they were.
 
JackBootedThug said:
It will be paired with some kind of mesa eventually. He has a road armored avatar with v30's and I'll probably grab one of the marshalls with 75's just to have a different flavor. hell I don't know...dude runs a concert backline company....he says now everyone is running modelers and he's investing in Freidman powered wedges....
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Then pay close attention to what is said above about lead versions of the 65’s and bass versions of the 65’s. Whatever you buy I hope you can play first because it matters.
 
glpg80 said:
I don’t even know what they were. I even had a buddy play them and nothing we did on a 5150 and a 5150 II at band volumes made any decent tone. It sounded Marshall, but you had two mid frequencies fighting over one another. One from the cabinet and another from the amp. The highs were rolled off perfectly but it caused massive ear fatigue. I sold the cab to a member here on the forum. It was an all original 1983 G12-65 JCM800 slant. I much prefer peavey Sheffield’s over whatever they were.
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What you describe is EXACTLY how I feel about V30s with everything other than a Mesa. Mids on top of mids. Ugh
The exception is this first version Marshall vintage 8 ohm cab I have. Perfect. Why Celestion ever changed that speaker I’ll never know.
 
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