Metro 68 Plexi series 12 vid

[degenaro]

Two different guys thru the same rig = different technique and possibly different tone, unless they are "like" players...
One guy thru two different amps = DIFFERENT TONE (same technique)

Some truth to both sides... But "tone" is not all in the fingers. Otherwise why would we all be waiting to hear the new VHT Sig X ... or the new Cameron or why would Wizard amps be my fav tone so far that I've experience??? If tones in my fingers I should be able to get that wizard "tone" thru anything??!! right?? ...maybe my stereo?
WHY THE HECK WOULD A MODDED CAMERON AMP GO FOR SO MUCH ON EBAY IF TONE'S IN THE FINGERS?
Why do Ford and Carlton spend HUGE $$$ on Dumbles?
C'mon... this is crazy.

NEITHER FORD NOR CARLTON SENT HUGE AMOUNS ON DUMBLE. Damn caps lock, didn't mean to yell. Here's the deal my friend Henry has 4 Dumbles, not one was more than 1500 bucks. Last I checked he was offered 45 large for SSS number 4.

 

[degenaro]

Back to the bad-ass plexi thing, since modding my 1959HW to early '68 spec, it sure sounds alot more like old Ed. I put the "real" track first for comparison.
https://www.soundclick.com/util/download ... 9966D9B7-A

FWIW, first half seems to have more presence to it. But lets just go back to the EVH thins for a second. Which Plexi did you use as a source for the values? And how do you compensate for parts tolerance and age?

I'm the last guy that wood be chasing eVH tone, but I think I will go home and see how ball park I can get.

 

[Anonymous]

through the years the "tone is in the fingers" has been used over and over, politely. i`ll cut the shit with a dull butcher knife. tone is in the fingers = you can either play the fuckn guitar or you aint worth a fuck.

 

[degenaro]

through the years the "tone is in the fingers" has been used over and over, politely. i`ll cut the shit with a dull butcher knife. tone is in the fingers = you can either play the fuckn guitar or you aint worth a fuck.

That's a fucking given...

 

[Zachman]

Numerous times.
My fave 2 examples...
One was a discussion about Jimmy Herring, and some dude arguing with me what Jimmy used on a specific album. Which I had a conversation with Jimmy about, since at the time he was the Guytron poster boy and it was as expected an old Fender and Marshall. So, the dude gets all worked up because I "claim" Jimmy didn't use his favorite. Coming at m with shit like I must have misunderstood something, blah, blah, blah. He then calls Guytron screaming about the conduct about the THD asshole o tha thread, Guytron calls my boss, Andy has to go through the thread with Guy going "well, Ed didn't say anything I have an issue with with. End result, I'm barred from saying anything about Guytron.

Case 2...
I always dug Two Rock, i some thread I said something about clonin, some 2 Rock customers gets way bend out of shape, calls Two Rock, Bill calls Andy, Andy gets to spent the aternoon reading through a 10+ page thread same end result. Ed didn't say anything wrong. Two Rock losta guy speaking highly of their amps tat day.

Suhr, Mitch from Marshall, etc, etc, been through this over and over...
The only good hing is that Andy knows I AM very opiniated and don't foget when you cut me, so as far as bosses go he gives me a lot of latitude. That said I do have better things to do then to worry about whether I offended yet another player because they didn't like my opinion an can't sperate me as a person from me the THD guy.

Funnily enough the running joke around here is... "Andy, you're phone is gonna ring of the hook today"..."why, who's Wheaties did you piss in this time?"

WOW... some people are just in need of a personality mod... Sorry to hear that kind of crap has happened. I respect you and am glad that you are willing to share your experience, POV and expertise with others, and think you're a cool guy a on top of it all. I think just because we have a differing view on something like this topic, is no reason not to be cool to people. IF I have come across as uncool, it wasn't intended.

Peace Brother Ed. The intensity of the conversation not withstanding, I think you're a good guy.

As I said to Steve, it's all good I love arguing about gear. And every once in a while-although not often-my POV is actually changed by a good argument.
We're ood.
It's guys that call me cunt that go on my fuck off list.

Ya, the personal insults routine is so grade school. The intelligent exchange ideas serves for everyone's betterment.

Keep Rocking, or in the case of country... Keep Cunting??? Sorry, ROFLMFAO tears streaming from my eyes. I need sleep.

You Rock

 

[Plexiface]

Back to the bad-ass plexi thing, since modding my 1959HW to early '68 spec, it sure sounds alot more like old Ed. I put the "real" track first for comparison.
https://www.soundclick.com/util/download ... 9966D9B7-A

FWIW, first half seems to have more presence to it. But lets just go back to the EVH thins for a second. Which Plexi did you use as a source for the values? And how do you compensate for parts tolerance and age?

I'm the last guy that wood be chasing eVH tone, but I think I will go home and see how ball park I can get.

My amp is pretty much like the Metropolous Amps 12xxx plexi. I posted the clip because there seemed to be alot of interest earlier in the thread about what a good example of a modern day plexi replica is.

I wasn't really looking to delve into the "tone is in the fingers" debate. However, consider the in vogue studio technique of "re-amping". A player runs a dry signal to hard disc by itself or while playing through an amp. The dry track can now be re-amped through all kinds of different rigs. That track could now sound a million different ways. And that player wasn't really "there" to make it happen.

 

[Meathead]

Back to the bad-ass plexi thing, since modding my 1959HW to early '68 spec, it sure sounds alot more like old Ed. I put the "real" track first for comparison.
https://www.soundclick.com/util/download ... 9966D9B7-A

FWIW, first half seems to have more presence to it. But lets just go back to the EVH thins for a second. Which Plexi did you use as a source for the values? And how do you compensate for parts tolerance and age?

I'm the last guy that wood be chasing eVH tone, but I think I will go home and see how ball park I can get.

Lots of sizzle, very little bass, plus the really digginzies....of course that's not it.

I recommend not posting an EVH sound clip...because the sound is so specific, it almost can't be redone.

 

[Meathead]

Besides...for that type of sound, I'd take this tone over any VH album.

http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=25266

 

[Plexiface]

You can't EXCACTLY reproduce ANY recorded tone. But I think it's quite reminiscent. The question is: what new amp will get you closest to that sound. I say it's a clone of a specific Marshall circuit only produced from late '67 through mid '68, which is of course, what Ed used.

 

[Telephant]

through the years the "tone is in the fingers" has been used over and over, politely. i`ll cut the shit with a dull butcher knife. tone is in the fingers = you can either play the fuckn guitar or you aint worth a fuck.

I love it when you talk dirty.

 

[Meathead]

Besides...for that type of sound, I'd take this tone over any VH album.

http://www.mp3lizard.com/download.cfm?id=25266

Isn't that a bridge single coil sound? ...I swear the old EVH tone is single coilish.

 

[stephen sawall]

I like the idea that "the THD guy"is at home trying to do the EVH. Its kind of funnny to me that my meeting Ed was in the fact that I was trying get more like some ones tone. Which in turn made my sound a very different thing than what I was after. I wanted a power amp distortion to mix with my Tremoverb/Mark IV that had become my main tools. A clip Bob Savage had put on HC of the Univalve made me intrested in what THD was doing. OT - I heard that the new THD amp has a Fender and a Soldano like channel. What Fender? What Soldano?

 

[Zachman]

Back to the bad-ass plexi thing, since modding my 1959HW to early '68 spec, it sure sounds alot more like old Ed. I put the "real" track first for comparison.
https://www.soundclick.com/util/download ... 9966D9B7-A

FWIW, first half seems to have more presence to it. But lets just go back to the EVH thins for a second. Which Plexi did you use as a source for the values? And how do you compensate for parts tolerance and age?

I'm the last guy that wood be chasing eVH tone, but I think I will go home and see how ball park I can get.

My amp is pretty much like the Metropolous Amps 12xxx plexi. I posted the clip because there seemed to be alot of interest earlier in the thread about what a good example of a modern day plexi replica is.

I wasn't really looking to delve into the "tone is in the fingers" debate. However, consider the in vogue studio technique of "re-amping". A player runs a dry signal to hard disc by itself or while playing through an amp. The dry track can now be re-amped through all kinds of different rigs. That track could now sound a million different ways. And that player wasn't really "there" to make it happen.

Good point... Which brings the "Art" of dialing in tone/gear, into the equation. ie selecting the right "tone" platform (Amp, speaker, guitar, PU's etc...) to get the desired result, in a studio setting or a live setting, (Which of course have their own considerations to address) THIS will vary from individual to individual as touch, technique etc... varies, but is something that EVERY individual guitarist deals with, because the gear is where one dials in the tone, that the player works w/ their technique.

 

[Zachman]

I like the idea that "the THD guy"is at home trying to do the EVH. Its kind of funnny to me that my meeting Ed was in the fact that I was trying get more like some ones tone. Which in turn made my sound a very different thing than what I was after. I wanted a power amp distortion to mix with my Tremoverb/Mark IV that had become my main tools. A clip Bob Savage had put on HC of the Univalve made me intrested in what THD was doing. OT - I heard that the new THD amp has a Fender and a Soldano like channel. What Fender? What Soldano?

It's true, there are many different directions to the road that leads the way, and depending on where you are coming from will determine the path.

Discovery is cool, often we find things that we never thought we would, while pursuing something totally different. Like how to get certain TONE from various combinations of GEAR, all the while honing our skills.

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

i read allmost every post, i now need some aspirin!

 

[Gainfreak]

i read allmost every post, i now need some aspirin!

Yeah but did you learn anything? (other then we are all nuts!)

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

i read allmost every post, i now need some aspirin!

Yeah but did you learn anything?
(other then we are all nuts!)

Yep... that's a given!!

 

[Capulin Overdrive]

i read allmost every post, i now need some aspirin!

Yeah but did you learn anything? (other then we are all nuts!)

no, don't guess i learned anything?


i've allready been studying on the Metro stuff, and pretty good change i'm gonna do one. guess i'm gonna do the 74 though? most of the tones i'm chasing are from like 76 to 83, and shooting from the hip, if George would do it i'd go with 79-81 JMP specs?


if you guys would do the Egnator class early next year, i'd be interested in giving that a try. but figure i won't hold off my gas much longer, so will probably do the Metro before the end of the year?



i got a Greenback RI cab a week or two ago, and so far not really digging it? figure i'm gonna be more like a 65 or 75 guy?


i'm kindda chasing EVH, but ballpark is good enough for me.


and as for the tone chasing debate, i think tone chasing is just fine for me. i'm too damned old and too damned busy to worry about becoming a rockstar. i just wanna be able to hash out a few covers, and have fun.

when i got back into guitar, after allmost a 20 year layoff, i had no intention of chasing tone. i said i'm gonna get this guitar, that amp, and these speakers, and whatever i sound like is what i sound like.

well, soon found out that chasing tone is fun, and keeps me interested in playing. so if it's wrong, then i don't wanna be right.

 

[defpearlpilot]

My 2 cents...

It's more the gear(guitar, amp) then the player.

 

[SQUAREHEAD]

My 2 cents...

It's more the gear(guitar, amp) then the player.

Throw some kevlar on Bro!!! (I'm with ya tho)