Micheal Wagener on the Kemper

[steve_k]

I beg to differ....
I was in the Girl Scouts and the Boys scouts at the same time. Dont ask questions.

Perhaps but you eventually stuck with the Girl Scouts so you were really just confused for a while.

Those were very difficult years...especially when I went to use the public restrooms.

US Postal Service - don't ask, don't tell. Watch the potty-cam, though....

 

[Mailman1971]

I beg to differ....
I was in the Girl Scouts and the Boys scouts at the same time. Dont ask questions.

Perhaps but you eventually stuck with the Girl Scouts so you were really just confused for a while.

Those were very difficult years...especially when I went to use the public restrooms.

US Postal Service - don't ask, don't tell. Watch the potty-cam, though....

hahaha.....I am better now days.....I realized that I have to use the Mens room.
Lot less trouble with the police.

 

[steve_k]

I beg to differ....
I was in the Girl Scouts and the Boys scouts at the same time. Dont ask questions.

Perhaps but you eventually stuck with the Girl Scouts so you were really just confused for a while.

Those were very difficult years...especially when I went to use the public restrooms.

US Postal Service - don't ask, don't tell. Watch the potty-cam, though....

hahaha.....I am better now days.....I realized that I have to use the Mens room.
Lot less trouble with the police.

The USPS Trans-gender urinal....

 

[stratotone]

Surprised more pros don't go to the kemper though yet.

Can you imagine if this had been around for the last few decades in studios? Gary Moore, EVH, Metallica, etc. profiling the sounds they got in the studio for their albums that they could just plug into PA and have that exact sound live? I'll bet this will get used more and more in the future. If (probably when) that happens, how cool would it be to get access to those profiles? Interesting times...

Even if you had those profiles, using different guitars would change it up as would playing style. I did a Randy Rhoads tone match, it's close when I play the guitar I matched it with. Play a different guitar and it may still be close but not as much. What guitar you play and your playing style will still influence the tone.

 

[Mailman1971]

I beg to differ....
I was in the Girl Scouts and the Boys scouts at the same time. Dont ask questions.

Perhaps but you eventually stuck with the Girl Scouts so you were really just confused for a while.

Those were very difficult years...especially when I went to use the public restrooms.

US Postal Service - don't ask, don't tell. Watch the potty-cam, though....

hahaha.....I am better now days.....I realized that I have to use the Mens room.
Lot less trouble with the police.

The USPS Trans-gender urinal....

Got it all wrong bro.....here is the Bathroom of Choice for USPS guys on the run.....

 

[steve_k]

I beg to differ....
I was in the Girl Scouts and the Boys scouts at the same time. Dont ask questions.

Perhaps but you eventually stuck with the Girl Scouts so you were really just confused for a while.

Those were very difficult years...especially when I went to use the public restrooms.

US Postal Service - don't ask, don't tell. Watch the potty-cam, though....

hahaha.....I am better now days.....I realized that I have to use the Mens room.
Lot less trouble with the police.

The USPS Trans-gender urinal....

Got it all wrong bro.....here is the Bathroom of Choice for USPS guys on the run.....

How did we get here? This is a serious thread. I will graciously bow out....

Carry on with the Kemper.

 

[Mailman1971]

How did we get here? This is a serious thread. I will graciously bow out....

Carry on with the Kemper.

Your Right Steve.....
But we have danced this dance many times......nothing new.

Back on track!

 

[stephen sawall]

MW has heard more great guitar sound than most of us ....

 

[Mailman1971]

MW has heard more great guitar sound than most of us ....

+100....

 

[the rossness]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

 

[Mailman1971]

I have to agree with you...while never owning a Kemper...
I love my amps. Guess I am still on the wrong side of the fence.

 

[VESmedic]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

LMAO... SS sounding? That's a first... Whatever helps you sleep at night!

 

[Bob Savage]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

The only reason it sounds like an SS amp is because you know it's a modeler and your brain is playing tricks on you.

How can you say it loses the tube feel then in the next sentence state that you've never played one?

The Axe-FX is great. I have seen a trend of Kemper fans but haven't observed anybody saying the models in the AFX are lousy but of course that doesn't mean it hasn't been said.

 

[VESmedic]

I don't know who this guy is, a troll, or just someone with a Tinear; but your opinion is Completely irrelevant, outweighed by mega producers Andy sneap, Michael Wagner, and my good friends at Audiohammer studios, who all use it, and love it... But yet people come in to a Michael Wagner thread and state it sounds SS? Lol come on seriously? gee, if I didnt have one already, who would I believe? You or those guys listed above?

 

[rupe]

Folks, we have an amp whisperer among us...it takes true talent to know how an amp feels without ever having played it.

 

[stephen sawall]

All recordings I listen to for the last several years sound somewhat SS & digital because I am playing them on a SS & digital playback system. The power of suggestion is very strong...

 

[stratotone]

maybe the rossness would like this special edition

 

[jcj]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

Please enlighten me....how is it (in any way) possible for you to know something loses "that tube feel", by listening to demos?....Really?

I'm here to absolutely assure you that I coulda make an Axe Standard feel better than the vast majority of tube amps out there...and I'm fairly certain I've owned enough to comment...

I've never tried a Kemper, but I'd bet every dollar I've ever earned, that you're wrong.

 

[the rossness]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

Please enlighten me....how is it (in any way) possible for you to know something loses "that tube feel", by listening to demos?....Really?

I'm here to absolutely assure you that I coulda make an Axe Standard feel better than the vast majority of tube amps out there...and I'm fairly certain I've owned enough to comment...

I've never tried a Kemper, but I'd bet every dollar I've ever earned, that you're wrong.

I've listened to a few in-depth demos of the Kemper, comparing it back to back with the amps and speakers it's profiling. When there is a switch from the real amp to the Kemper, I can hear the switch. I don't know the word for the sound I'm hearing, but I can tell which is the amp and which is the kemper in just about every demo I see. The Kemper somehow, sounds like it has less life than the real amp, and I related that to feel. If there were no discernible difference between the two, or just a fractional difference between the two, I wouldn't care. But when I can hear a difference it makes me wonder why I'm the only one who can hear it. If it truly copied an analog amp to a digital format, there should be no discernible difference between the real and copied tone.


-Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but this is what my ears hear. And again, having not played or heard one in person, all I have to go from are the demo's I've seen.


- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seemed to recall reading that the guys @ tone merchants only recommend using the Axe FX for its effects and not for its amp models. I've heard other people saying that while good, the models leave something to be desired. Again, I haven't played one.


...an no, not a troll.

 

[VESmedic]

Maybe its better for recording, but in all the demo's I've heard, it still sounds like an SS amp and loses that tube feel. Admittedly, I have yet to play one, but with any piece of new gear, there's a bunch of hoopla and then it dies down or the next piece of tech comes out and renders the "kemper" or whatever its called, not so good. The Axe II was supposed to be "the bees knees" and now I hear people saying how while its great for the FX, the amp models suck. However, when the Axe FX cam out, it was praised as the best amp modeler ever!

Please enlighten me....how is it (in any way) possible for you to know something loses "that tube feel", by listening to demos?....Really?

I'm here to absolutely assure you that I coulda make an Axe Standard feel better than the vast majority of tube amps out there...and I'm fairly certain I've owned enough to comment...

I've never tried a Kemper, but I'd bet every dollar I've ever earned, that you're wrong.

I've listened to a few in-depth demos of the Kemper, comparing it back to back with the amps and speakers it's profiling. When there is a switch from the real amp to the Kemper, I can hear the switch. I don't know the word for the sound I'm hearing, but I can tell which is the amp and which is the kemper in just about every demo I see. The Kemper somehow, sounds like it has less life than the real amp, and I related that to feel. If there were no discernible difference between the two, or just a fractional difference between the two, I wouldn't care. But when I can hear a difference it makes me wonder why I'm the only one who can hear it. If it truly copied an analog amp to a digital format, there should be no discernible difference between the real and copied tone.


-Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but this is what my ears hear. And again, having not played or heard one in person, all I have to go from are the demo's I've seen.


- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seemed to recall reading that the guys @ tone merchants only recommend using the Axe FX for its effects and not for its amp models. I've heard other people saying that while good, the models leave something to be desired. Again, I haven't played one.


...an no, not a troll.

I still stand by my comment. If your ears are somehow better than the world renowned engineers listed above, I thank god I don't have your hearing... The KPA is so good, it does not need defending, especially against you and your comments. I say again, whatever makes you sleep well at night....