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jcj
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Too many people dig the Kemper to write it off; it's not a coincidence.
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Heritage Softail
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jcj":33c2doi5 said:
Hitler had quite a following too....
But yes, I have been listening close to the Kemper vids and they seem quite good. Given this is version 1, when they take market feedback and tweak it, it may replace all of my amps except a few old favorites. But I would model them anyway. Would not take them out.
And get to the bottom line... The thing is cheap. 2K...? WTF is 2K compared to what most own in amps anyway. It would be another tool in the box. Maybe the crescent wrench of amps.
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Anonymous
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i want one so bad. saving now. it's my #1 on my list of gas gear.
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Shiny_Surface
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There seems to be a similar tenacity to Kemper detractors as Axe-Fx owners are to theirs. Get him! 
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Rogue
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There is a rather strange thing that happens with some that buy a high end modeler (or profiler, for the sensitive), IMO YMMV JMT AFAIC AYSOS. Sure, there are the same folks with other gear, but there is something different about modelers. Well, I guess that has been traditionally limited to the AxeFX, but the KPA seems to have a similar following.Shiny_Surface":3eq131hp said:There seems to be a similar tenacity to Kemper detractors as Axe-Fx owners are to theirs. Get him!
It should be named something. I don't know. HEM(op) syndrome? I'm going with it.
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jcj
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Heritage Softail":1ik9774m said:
That's the parallel, that comes to mind? Hitler? Really?
(just struck me as funny)
D-Rock
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And the phrase that wins gear cliche of the year is........Game Changer!
(Runner up, Built Like a Tank)
(Runner up, Built Like a Tank)
stratotone
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It's the first piece of modelling/profiling gear that lived up to the hype for me and actually delivered what was promised. So yeah, game changer for me. Had mine since February, have a room full of vintage and coveted tube amps to compare/profile, and I still love it. When I had an Axe FX standard I used it occasionally for gigs but was always chasing tone with it - every software revision was 'more realer' and destroyed my old presets, so I had to redo them and then add secret sauce from a submenu, third party IRs, etc and *still* wasn't as satisfied as I am with the kemper. I think the Axe II is a huge improvement and probably would be as useful for me as the Kemper, I'm just not into all the submenus and stuff to wring all the tone out.
richardt4520
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Are you able to just plug it into the input and fx send to just model the preamp without the mics? that would be killer for a single channel amp that happens to have an effects loop. Just model the preamp at the different settings you like, plug the output into the loop in, and instant multi channels on your single channel amp.
The main thing with me is, being a vocalist/guitarist, I actually don't like going direct onstage. I like my vocals isolated and screaming at me from my floor monitor and my guitar kicking the legs out from behind me from an amp. So it may not be a good live choice for me but in the studio...that's awesome.
The main thing with me is, being a vocalist/guitarist, I actually don't like going direct onstage. I like my vocals isolated and screaming at me from my floor monitor and my guitar kicking the legs out from behind me from an amp. So it may not be a good live choice for me but in the studio...that's awesome.
stratotone
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richardt4520":11xg303e said:
Yep, you can model the fx send on your amp or just a preamp on rackmount gear. Then you can turn off the cab/mic emulation or add another one from a different amp to it.
I ran mine at first with a guitar amp and cab behind me onstage, with a output from the kemper going to the fx return/poweramp in. Cab wasn't miked, I had the direct outs from the Kemper going to front of house. So I got the guitar amp sound/feel behind me I was used to. Also, if I tweaked my onstage volume, what I sent to the mixing board wasn't affected. Sound guys LOVE this.
lester
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Heritage Softail":2e5182n1 said:
and the thing is even cheaper today - read a couple of guys scored some at JRR for 1480. and over at Musicians Friend for around 1550.
richardt4520
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Man, that's awesome. Thanks for the info!stratotone":4z5fh2mg said:
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VESmedic
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richardt4520":rtbqszdu said:
It IS awesome, but not ideal in my opinion. I have both FRFR and Poweramp/can setup with my kemper. The only problem I see with using a Poweramp/cab on stage and going direct with main outs is, the massive coloring you will get from your amp/cab, thus you really don't know what you are sending to the FOH. This is just my opinion, and I use just FRFR live now. However, for pure sonic bliss: Poweramp/cab behind you, high powered FRFR up front pumping in front of you.... Nothing can touch that to my ears, just too much to take to a gig and is quite overkill.... But man, my VHT 2/90/2 and deliverance 4x12, with mackie hd1531 upfront is GOD in sonic form
luther910
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VESmedic":1x13oy3x said:the rossness":1x13oy3x said:jcj":1x13oy3x said:the rossness":1x13oy3x said:
Please enlighten me....how is it (in any way) possible for you to know something loses "that tube feel", by listening to demos?....Really?
I'm here to absolutely assure you that I coulda make an Axe Standard feel better than the vast majority of tube amps out there...and I'm fairly certain I've owned enough to comment...
I've never tried a Kemper, but I'd bet every dollar I've ever earned, that you're wrong.
I've listened to a few in-depth demos of the Kemper, comparing it back to back with the amps and speakers it's profiling. When there is a switch from the real amp to the Kemper, I can hear the switch. I don't know the word for the sound I'm hearing, but I can tell which is the amp and which is the kemper in just about every demo I see. The Kemper somehow, sounds like it has less life than the real amp, and I related that to feel. If there were no discernible difference between the two, or just a fractional difference between the two, I wouldn't care. But when I can hear a difference it makes me wonder why I'm the only one who can hear it. If it truly copied an analog amp to a digital format, there should be no discernible difference between the real and copied tone.
-Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but this is what my ears hear. And again, having not played or heard one in person, all I have to go from are the demo's I've seen.
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seemed to recall reading that the guys @ tone merchants only recommend using the Axe FX for its effects and not for its amp models. I've heard other people saying that while good, the models leave something to be desired. Again, I haven't played one.
...an no, not a troll.
I still stand by my comment. If your ears are somehow better than the world renowned engineers listed above, I thank god I don't have your hearing... The KPA is so good, it does not need defending, especially against you and your comments. I say again, whatever makes you sleep well at night....
It's a little silly to say that there is no difference, of course it is. It's a good unit but doesn't sound better than axe effects or others like it. Remember this is an industry, people don't advertise these products for free do they? It's quite easy to hear a difference. I think the sound from the Kemper looses some of that treble or HiFi quality/richness (the tube sound?) I own an 11R so its not like I never use modelers myself. I my current recording project I find that it has a useful purpose for adding a bit here and there, but why would professional musicians with loads of amps and knowhow use a modeler instead of the real thing, that is something I don't understand. Most people has "their sound", an amp and some effects. My 11R has fewer amp models than most units, but I never use any other than ones based on the JCM 800.
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VESmedic
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luther910":2fq3sna0 said:VESmedic":2fq3sna0 said:the rossness":2fq3sna0 said:jcj":2fq3sna0 said:the rossness":2fq3sna0 said:
Please enlighten me....how is it (in any way) possible for you to know something loses "that tube feel", by listening to demos?....Really?
I'm here to absolutely assure you that I coulda make an Axe Standard feel better than the vast majority of tube amps out there...and I'm fairly certain I've owned enough to comment...
I've never tried a Kemper, but I'd bet every dollar I've ever earned, that you're wrong.
I've listened to a few in-depth demos of the Kemper, comparing it back to back with the amps and speakers it's profiling. When there is a switch from the real amp to the Kemper, I can hear the switch. I don't know the word for the sound I'm hearing, but I can tell which is the amp and which is the kemper in just about every demo I see. The Kemper somehow, sounds like it has less life than the real amp, and I related that to feel. If there were no discernible difference between the two, or just a fractional difference between the two, I wouldn't care. But when I can hear a difference it makes me wonder why I'm the only one who can hear it. If it truly copied an analog amp to a digital format, there should be no discernible difference between the real and copied tone.
-Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but this is what my ears hear. And again, having not played or heard one in person, all I have to go from are the demo's I've seen.
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seemed to recall reading that the guys @ tone merchants only recommend using the Axe FX for its effects and not for its amp models. I've heard other people saying that while good, the models leave something to be desired. Again, I haven't played one.
...an no, not a troll.
I still stand by my comment. If your ears are somehow better than the world renowned engineers listed above, I thank god I don't have your hearing... The KPA is so good, it does not need defending, especially against you and your comments. I say again, whatever makes you sleep well at night....
It's a little silly to say that there is no difference, of course it is. It's a good unit but doesn't sound better than axe effects or others like it. Remember this is an industry, people don't advertise these products for free do they? It's quite easy to hear a difference. I think the sound from the Kemper looses some of that treble or HiFi quality/richness (the tube sound?) I own an 11R so its not like I never use modelers myself. I my current recording project I find that it has a useful purpose for adding a bit here and there, but why would professional musicians with loads of amps and knowhow use a modeler instead of the real thing, that is something I don't understand. Most people has "their sound", an amp and some effects. My 11R has fewer amp models than most units, but I never use any other than ones based on the JCM 800.
First of all, what's an "axe effects " that the KPA doesn't sound better than supposively??? Sounds like an opinion to me....
And bro, I've said it before, the KPA does not need any defending. So you think these mega producers are now ENDORSING the kemper? Sorry bro, you are dead wrong. Where do you get this info?
NONE of these producers endorse the kemper. And why do they use it? Because first of all, they can store all of their classic tones they have recorded, have them forever, and then GIVE them to the band to use live. This is ALREADY happening, trust me. Also, IT SAVES THEM TIME. They could have all of their best tones from their amps already profiled ready to go in their best mix positions etc, and save a TON of time, especially If a lesser financed band with less time/money to spend drops by for an album....these are just a few of the reasons that I KNOW FOR A FACT are already happening.