More Complicated Rack Help

[glpg80]

Voltage regulator
RG-16
power amp?
GTX pro midi pedal
Boss GT-1 Rack processor
Lexicon PCM92
Lexicon MX300
TC Nova Delay
MXR 10 Band 1.a
MXR 10 Band 1.b
Voodoo Labs powerblock
ZW-44
Wah 535Q
EVH Flanger
Expression pedal A: Boss

signal chain as follows:

guitar > ZW-44 > Wah > amplifier in > (1.a) > dry splawn cabinet - G12M 30 heritage greenback copies.

(1a. continued.) > load box > input RG-16 > EQ 10 band 1.a > Boss GT Pro L & R > RG-16 >

Lexicon PCM92 L & R > RG-16

Lexicon L & R > RG-16

TC Nova Delay > RG-16 > L and R outputs to > MXR 10 band 1.b > poweramplifier (what to use?) > L & R NOS Laney 4x12's.

how would i be able to take out each effects processor independently, or add each effects processor accordingly
in the effects chain as i please while also keeping true stereo left and right in consideration?

for instance, i could run each effects processor together through MIDI and then run that midi control out to the RG-16's, loop those together, and have only 1 MIDI pedal to control the entire rig. so if i just want a dry tone for example i would have a patch where nothing is selected, all effects processors are out of the signal chain, and the dry tone is there.

i understand i would probably need two RG-16's for this and piggyback them. or.... am i looking at an RG-16 for the
processors, then run that into another RG-16 to use for the guitar/amplifier aspect of the "normal" level?

i tried to explain this the best that i could. i would appreciate any help on how i could take each block in and out of the signal chain without effecting tone but also be able to control and recall each piece as i please.

thanks ahead of time.

if it helps, the main use of each processor is as follows: boss used for guitar tone shaping, random effects like rotory speaker, and most importantly its intelligent harmonizer feature.
lexicon PCM92 to give different stereo output processing abilities as a L & R block - a 96kb/s reverb processor, also to give multi-voice pitch, VSO pitch, or chorus.
lexicon MX300 - for timed delays that i can pan left or right inepenedently from the PCM92 if i please, or, for 48Khz reverb use if the PCM is being used for another purpose like vocal use on studio recordings.
TC-nova delay - self explanitory. tunable for analong/digital delay type.

appreciate it. sorry if i busted brain cells on this one

-matt

 

[stephen sawall]

I am not full awake ... bump. I well take a other look when I am more here ?

 

[glpg80]

thanks steve.

yeah it seems complicated at first when looking at the signal chain only, but each time i re-read the description it helps explain things a little better.

ive been working on this for a while. just getting down to how the hell i get the idea onto paper, and finally into a working diagram like mike used a few weeks ago on his bi-amp setup.

again, thanks

 

[muudrock]

I've only had one cup of coffee so I may be off, but:
Looks like you want a W/D/W setup, right?
From what I see, you could do all of that with one RG16. But you would need a line mixer for the post preamp fx to mix down to a stereo L R signal to go out to power amp.
If you put all the pre-amp fx (EVH flange, Boss) in loops and then feed out to the amp input. Post preamp output to RG16. Sends of loops 5-6-7 to input of stereo fx, no return back to rg16. Outputs of stereo fx to line mixer and out to power amp. This way, when you take a unit out the signal path, the delays and verbs will still decay naturally and not abrubtly cut off.

You'd probably want a good midi contol pedal like a GC pro, Liquid foot, Rockton All Access. You would want instant access button capability.

I have a setup similar to this. 4 pedals before the amp, 2 processors after the amp in a W/D/W arrangement.
Signal goes from pedal board wah to input of RG16, through pedal loops 1-4, out to amp input, amp send to buffer in, buffer out to loop 5 input, L5 send to TC Gmaj 2, L6 send to Lexicon. Stereo outputs of TC and Lexicon units to a Bradshaw line mixer which send wet signal to stereo power amp feeding 2 1x12 cabs. Amp speaker out put to dry 4x12. I use the GC Pro for a controller. I have programmed patches but can also instant access turn on/off the pedals loops before the amp and the Stereo FX after the amp.
Is this what you're trying to do?

Like I said, only one cup of coffee and a late night last night, so I may not be making any sense...

I also recommend checking out the wiring diagrams for the RG16 on the RJM website. You can also call or email Ron Minelli at RJM. He's a great guy and very helpful with setup tips.

 

[glpg80]

yes you got it right - the ability to take out pedals in the signal chain whenever i please, adjust effects processors settings with instant access, or, if i would like, take out an entire effects processor at once out of the signal chain all together.

i would like the ability to do the 3rd simply from an AD/DA standpoint - the less AD/DA the better. i would just watch my patch creations carefully if using delays, reverbs, etc, or simply not use that feature at all and deal with the AD/DA.

i also toyed the idea of using a G-Maj2, but how have the recall delays been on your unit? the gmajor i had literally ran almost over a full second if you recalled a patch

does the gmajor 2 have usb input for future flash upgrades? i know the boss and PCM92 unit do, the mx300 has a slot for a PCMCIA card to flash it in an older style. i would always want full upgrading compatability.

and actually as for the pedals in the floor i wouldnt want to rack them - again - the pedals are there to serve a function and i would rather have manual choice over the ZW boost in front of everything, and then the wah for added effects in front of everything. that would allow me to add chorus, reverb, delay, etc with patch recalls, or simply remove 1 effects processor from the loop and leave 2 others, or 1 other, or none all together.