My beef with Carvin Guitars........

[Tone Zone]

In this day and age, and in relative comparison to their competitors.....how come they are unable to offer a 1 5/8 nut width option? Just about everyone else does that I know of. I'd love to own another Carvin one day, specifically a Bolt model....but, until they offer this option, I'll have to pass. I know this isn't a problem for most people I suppose, as they are happy with their standard "1.69" nut width. But, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that would like to see this option available one day? Come on, Carvin!

Alright, rant over.......

 

[xXDaveyJonesXx]

So is the 1.625 basically a "Les Paul" sized nut compared to what I'm assuming the 1.69 is the "Fender" standard?

 

[Tone Zone]

So is the 1.625 basically a "Les Paul" sized nut compared to what I'm assuming the 1.69 is the "Fender" standard?

Actually, it's the other way around.

1.69" or 1 11/16 = Gibson (wider)

1.65" or 1 5/8 = Fender (narrower) [also, even though many guitar companies claim 1 5/8, the majority are actually 1.65...for example, 60's Fenders]

I'd personally be very happy with a 1.65"

 

[robertkoa]

Costs a lot to reprogram and shut down the CNC Machines so outside of normal programming is a problem.

I wanted a 25.5 " scale neck thru Superstrat like I had from them before made by them in 1991- 92 but they wouldn't /couldn't do it.

Then with the DC 727 7 strings neck thru 25.5" Scale I thought , great maybe a DC 627 which they DO - DC 600

EXCEPT it's 25" scale like all their neck thru's NOT 25.5" because the CNC Programming is much easier with the
uniformity.

The Thing for me is to have the longer scale neck thru or long tenon Set Neck 21 or 22 Frets so the pickups are spaced wide apart.

Another thing I want from Carvin is H-S-H on their set necks but still , unless a lot of people want it and want to buy it, it's a big investment for them....

 

[robertkoa]

Understood.

 

[Bob Savage]

So is the 1.625 basically a "Les Paul" sized nut compared to what I'm assuming the 1.69 is the "Fender" standard?

Actually, it's the other way around.

1.69" or 1 11/16 = Gibson (wider)

1.65" or 1 5/8 = Fender (narrower) [also, even though many guitar companies claim 1 5/8, the majority are actually 1.65...for example, 60's Fenders]

I'd personally be very happy with a 1.65"

So Fender is really not 1-5/8" either? 1-5/8" is 1.625".

 

[Bob Savage]

Costs a lot to reprogram and shut down the CNC Machines so outside of normal programming is a problem.

This is not it. The CNC part is the easy part and everything can be programmed and the gcode output while the machine is still cutting parts on a cad/cam system.

I don't know Carvin's reason, but the necessity for retooling all of the jigging/fixtures and assembly line is where the issues come in especially if you still need to cut other sizes.

Carvin is likely able to keep their costs down by keeping things consistent across guitar models.

 

[metalmaniac93]

Carvin's rock!!!!!

 

[Tone Zone]

So is the 1.625 basically a "Les Paul" sized nut compared to what I'm assuming the 1.69 is the "Fender" standard?

Actually, it's the other way around.

1.69" or 1 11/16 = Gibson (wider)

1.65" or 1 5/8 = Fender (narrower) [also, even though many guitar companies claim 1 5/8, the majority are actually 1.65...for example, 60's Fenders]

I'd personally be very happy with a 1.65"

So Fender is really not 1-5/8" either? 1-5/8" is 1.625".

That is correct...accept for some mid 70’s Fenders that truly are 1 5/8. I learned about it here myself from a post by John Suhr. I'll see if I can dig up the thread....

Edit - Here's the post:

I suck at math, I'm trying to match my Suhr Modern neck at 1.65, to an Anderson build at 5/8 or 11/16th

You'll want to go 1 5/8 on the Anderson build, as it will be closest to Suhr's 1.650.

Anderson, 60's Fenders and myself all use 1.650" even though we call it 1 5/8"
EB is one of the only companies that does 1.625" or mid 70's Fenders

Here's the thread with this post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=109929

 

[Tone Zone]

Carvin's rock!!!!!

They do indeed, and I really want to order another one....but, I will not compromise on this option again.

 

[Bob Savage]

Anderson, 60's Fenders and myself all use 1.650" even though we call it 1 5/8"
EB is one of the only companies that does 1.625" or mid 70's Fenders

Here's the thread with this post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=109929[/quote]

Wild and good to know. That kind of stuff drives my OCD crazy because it isn't what it is. Wait, it is what it isn't. No, it's not what it isn't.

Um...

 

[metalmaniac93]

Carvin's rock!!!!!

They do indeed, and I really want to order another one....but, I will not compromise on this option again.

I would buy another one, if needed. It does not matter to me what the nut width is!!!

 

[Doughboy]

Carvin's signature measurements for their guitars are 25" scale necks with 1.69" nuts. It's their 'thing' so to speak.

Out of all my guitars, this is my favorite measurement, especially the 25" scale neck.

Here is my favorite Carvin at work, with that 25" scale neck giving it that extra warm creeeaaaamyyyy tone.

 

[metalmaniac93]

Carvin's signature measurements for their guitars are 25" scale necks with 1.69" nuts. It's their 'thing' so to speak.

Out of all my guitars, this is my favorite measurement, especially the 25" scale neck.

Here is my favorite Carvin at work, with that 25" scale neck giving it that extra warm creeeaaaamyyyy tone.

Nice!!!

 

[Tone Zone]

Anderson, 60's Fenders and myself all use 1.650" even though we call it 1 5/8"
EB is one of the only companies that does 1.625" or mid 70's Fenders

Here's the thread with this post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=109929

Wild and good to know. That kind of stuff drives my OCD crazy because it isn't what it is. Wait, it is what it isn't. No, it's not what it isn't.

Um...[/quote]

Agreed! It really is strange that they list it as one thing, but it's really something else. I've actually heard the same thing about Gibson....that their nut width isn't exactly what they list it as. I think it's actually less or something?

 

[Tone Zone]

Carvin's signature measurements for their guitars are 25" scale necks with 1.69" nuts. It's their 'thing' so to speak.

Their "thing"?....please. When just about all other "custom" builders offer a choice in nut width, I don't see it as "their thing".....but, more like their stubbornness to adhere to industry standards across the field. And BTW, their Bolt guitars actually come with 25.5 scale necks.

 

[Doughboy]

Carvin's signature measurements for their guitars are 25" scale necks with 1.69" nuts. It's their 'thing' so to speak.

Their "thing"?....please. When just about all other "custom" builders offer a choice in nut width, I don't see it as "their thing".....but, more like their stubbornness to adhere to industry standards across the field. And BTW, their Bolt guitars actually come with 25.5 scale necks.

True that their rigid that way, but that's be the trade mark Carvin Measurements for ages.

For true custom guitars, you have to go to Warmoth. They'll pretty much do whatever you ask.

 

[Heritage Softail]

My beef with Carvin gear in general.... After you buy it, it isn't worth shit. Great gear. I had an old 100w half stack. But I could trade it and a buck for a cup of coffee.

 

[Tone Zone]

Carvin's signature measurements for their guitars are 25" scale necks with 1.69" nuts. It's their 'thing' so to speak.

Their "thing"?....please. When just about all other "custom" builders offer a choice in nut width, I don't see it as "their thing".....but, more like their stubbornness to adhere to industry standards across the field. And BTW, their Bolt guitars actually come with 25.5 scale necks.

True that their rigid that way, but that's be the trade mark Carvin Measurements for ages.

For true custom guitars, you have to go to Warmoth. They'll pretty much do whatever you ask.

Well, I can understand why they were like that for ages....but still, it just seems that within the past 10 years or so, something should have 'clicked' after taking a look around at their competition and said, "hey, maybe we ought to come on board with this option?" I know it's not the easiest thing for them to do overnight....but in the end, it would only increase their sales. Also, just look at the amount of expansion on new models and options with them just in the past 13 years or so. Lots of new R&D, CNC programming, yadda, yadda.....but it never became apparent to them that, "oh, maybe we should do this as well?" Just sayin....

 

[Tone Zone]

My beef with Carvin gear in general.... After you buy it, it isn't worth shit. Great gear. I had an old 100w half stack. But I could trade it and a buck for a cup of coffee.

True enough, but I personally could endure it if I could just get what I want. I'm really not looking to go with a plethora of features that can jack up the price real fast. Really just a more cheaper, stripped down model with the essentials that I require....Jumbo Stainless Steel frets for example.