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Business plan rev. 7.3....gone bad.

Whatever the actual number is of people owed amps, I think most can realize that it will take some capital to build those amps. The only way to fund that kitty is to sell amps. The last business venture with Mark and Jason went off course when one party wanted to outsource the assembly and the other wanted to keep them in house. The business plan went from turning out 10 amps per month, to maybe two. That is not going to be significant enough to pay rent with profits for one, much less two. I don't know all the details as it isn't my business, or anyone else for that matter. But, from what I know, the ones that were owed were to be made whole by delivering one (1) owed amp per every 6 made. Hence, the first set of 6 that were being done. Me, being Mr. Nice Guy, though wanting no part of any business venture (although I was offered), I did fund the kitty to help them buy components for those first 6 amps and in return I would get one of them. This would put money in the cigar box for them to be able to get on their feet and start the process of build/sell/profit/payback. In all honesty, I never expected to see an amp or see my money returned and I could have lived with that. It's no different than going to the casino. Fast forward to last month when they split the sheets. Jason had to bail because the business plan changed and there was no way for him to survive with Mark making a couple of amps a month in the shop. Mark wanted me to have the first one because I helped them out. So, I payed the balance and the amp appeared.

My main intention for showing the amp here, even though I new that the shit stains would come out and post their usual dribble - was to show some people that Mark was back to making his original amps and that the potential is there for more to be produced and maybe the guys that are owed an amp or lost a deposit, could eventually be made whole. Looking through the posts here, there are only three guys I know here that are owed amps and short of me giving them my amp, I don't know what to say. But, I do know there are 4 more from this batch to be assembled. Possibly if Mark can sell 5, he could afford to give the 6th one to a person owed.

Yes, it is a never ending saga but Mark has always done right by me. He didn't set out years ago to fuck anyone over but what is done, is done. But mainly, I was intending to show there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. It might be a fucking train, but it may not be. Mark just needs to be in the right environment to do his thing. And, I will say this, these amps Mark is turning out are even better than the originals to me. But, don't shoot the messenger here. A little late for that, but it did give me a chance to refresh the cunt list of people here that have no business even offering an opinion when they don't even know the score.

So, now you know the rest of the story.
 
well,well,well.an interesting turn of events.

thx for the info Steve K.

some people may be eating crow right now.
 
I've been tryin to keep myself out of this one but........

I gotta call it like it is. Cameron we all know is a crook , why anyone would order a new amp from him is beyond me. I've played an original CCV and I don't thinks it's that good that I would want to support someone who would rob some of there customers.

Next....Why Brad's personal life comes into this thread about Steve's new CCV also makes no sense to me. I'm sure we have all made mistakes in life , some big some small. What's being brought up about Brad has nothing to do with CCVs and isn't really our business. Brad hasn't skipped out on anyone's deposits or payments for products.

Finally as much as I agree Steve K isn't the one to be bashing because he is special and gets his Cameron amp on time. I personally would not post a NAD if I knew others were getting ripped off and ordered the same amp long before I did. It just pours salt on the wounds but hey maybe I'm too considerate of my fellow rigtalkers.

Edit-- I notice now what Steve wrote a couple posts above ...It's unfortunate he didn't say those things originally ...would have never gotten this far.
 
It's a catch 22
Post a NAD, others buy Cameron amps, Mark slowly makes things right with past customers
Or
Post a NAD, others "buy" Cameron amps, more people get ripped off
 
Cameron amp?
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steve_k":cdjvy8mz said:
Business plan rev. 7.3....gone bad.

Whatever the actual number is of people owed amps, I think most can realize that it will take some capital to build those amps. The only way to fund that kitty is to sell amps. The last business venture with Mark and Jason went off course when one party wanted to outsource the assembly and the other wanted to keep them in house. The business plan went from turning out 10 amps per month, to maybe two. That is not going to be significant enough to pay rent with profits for one, much less two. I don't know all the details as it isn't my business, or anyone else for that matter. But, from what I know, the ones that were owed were to be made whole by delivering one (1) owed amp per every 6 made. Hence, the first set of 6 that were being done. Me, being Mr. Nice Guy, though wanting no part of any business venture (although I was offered), I did fund the kitty to help them buy components for those first 6 amps and in return I would get one of them. This would put money in the cigar box for them to be able to get on their feet and start the process of build/sell/profit/payback. In all honesty, I never expected to see an amp or see my money returned and I could have lived with that. It's no different than going to the casino. Fast forward to last month when they split the sheets. Jason had to bail because the business plan changed and there was no way for him to survive with Mark making a couple of amps a month in the shop. Mark wanted me to have the first one because I helped them out. So, I payed the balance and the amp appeared.

My main intention for showing the amp here, even though I new that the shit stains would come out and post their usual dribble - was to show some people that Mark was back to making his original amps and that the potential is there for more to be produced and maybe the guys that are owed an amp or lost a deposit, could eventually be made whole. Looking through the posts here, there are only three guys I know here that are owed amps and short of me giving them my amp, I don't know what to say. But, I do know there are 4 more from this batch to be assembled. Possibly if Mark can sell 5, he could afford to give the 6th one to a person owed.

Yes, it is a never ending saga but Mark has always done right by me. He didn't set out years ago to fuck anyone over but what is done, is done. But mainly, I was intending to show there may be a light at the end of the tunnel. It might be a fucking train, but it may not be. Mark just needs to be in the right environment to do his thing. And, I will say this, these amps Mark is turning out are even better than the originals to me. But, don't shoot the messenger here. A little late for that, but it did give me a chance to refresh the cunt list of people here that have no business even offering an opinion when they don't even know the score.

So, now you know the rest of the story.
Steve... Reminds me of back when:

 
pstar":1gjygtft said:
soapshanks":1gjygtft said:
If you have a deposit in with King Guitar you better ask for a refund. Otherwise your cash will be gone for at least the next several years after Brad goes to jail. It's not like Brad has a store anymore.


oh
:student:
 
Ok.....let me see if I can get this straight.
I was voted the #1 speed reader of my 8th grade class and this is what I got from skimming this thread....

Mark Cameron was on a dinner date with Steve K when Cameron pulled a machine gun on Steve to take him hostage where Psychodave was driving the get away car. Friedman was the mastermind and they all left no foot prints since they all wore Nikes. Brad then proceeded to buy amps from someone who was a known thief and sell them to the public behind everyones back. The only amp that made it thru customs was the Goop amp which stayed behind at the dinner date for drinks and dancing. This led to being locked up for 10 years. Would of gotten 5 years but the midget stripper got frisky.

Sounds perfectly logical to me.
 
Wow. Let me get this straight, Steve gets a new Cameron and everyone that lost their deposit takes it out on him? Ive never seen such a an infantile deluge of self pity and butt hurt bitchiness. Yeah, I get that you lost the deposits. Totally sucks...my sympathies. Take it up with the local authorities, file a small claims dispute, etc. etc.. If you haven't done that already....well you know what they say about a fool and his money. Either do something about it or move on. In either event, it's clearly not Steve K's fault. To even drag that bullshit into this thread only makes one look bad.

As for what the fuck ever is going on in Brad's personal life....WHO THE FUCK CARES? Totally irrelevant to this thread, this forum and pretty much to anyone except Brad and those involved. Don't we all have our own problems to deal with?

Have a coke and smile and move the fuck on from both of them.


Oh yeah, to echo what Rezza said......play more Diezel......
 
controlled_voltage":763tx0ma said:
wow
watch old men throw poop at each other from palypen's
yikes/ouch! :doh:
not a good look from any angle
glad i'm saving up for a drama free henning :D

Yeah I gotta chime in & say this is some if the most childish, immature, disgraceful shit I've ever seen. Goodbye RT - I'll leave you monkeys to keep throwing poop at one another!
 
I will be banning several guys who add nothing positive here and I am pretty close to shutting down the entire forum.

If it wasn't for the 90% cool good guys I would of done of it already. As far as my legal issues, yes thats me, yes its bullshit, yes i have no record of anything in my past and the accuser was a long time girlfriend and retracted her statements the next day and thats why they let me leave. My x-wife and I's divorce was long before this ever happened and we are very close friends now not that its anybody's business on a guitar forum.

If you you want to talk shit here about me when I have nothing to do with this thread then you will be gone that day. I spent 43 years of my life being a good guy and I didn't all of a sudden turn into Americas Most Wanted. You don't know wtf your talking about so keep it to yourself.

I m done being tolerant.

If you deal with Cameron you will most likely get screwed, bottom line. Mark IMO is a nice guy in person and very talented but he is incapable of doing anything that isn't right in front of him. Anybody who thinks they can fix that is in for a rough ride, ask everyone who has ever tried to right that ship with the latest casualty being the last guy (hate to say it but I told you so just like someone told me before I got screwed over dealing with Mark)

Nobody has ever gotten screwed by me and nobody ever will. You want to move o from this FREE forumn, then move on. We don't need you here no matter who you are if you want to make this place worse not better.

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