New g-system is out. G-System iB Modified

[Skrln]

The limited nova system's difference is only the color and some presets that some famous guitarists make. Not worth the extra cash in my opinion. That's why I ordered a regular one.

Always been looking to get a g-system but the persistent problems with it (version after version) make me hesitant. Never heard of these issues with the nova system, so I figured I start with that one, and if eventually a g system comes out without problems (and from experience with the nova system it seems that I need more functionality) I can get a g system in the end.

 

[steve_k]

The limited nova system's difference is only the color and some presets that some famous guitarists make. Not worth the extra cash in my opinion. That's why I ordered a regular one.

Always been looking to get a g-system but the persistent problems with it (version after version) make me hesitant. Never heard of these issues with the nova system, so I figured I start with that one, and if eventually a g system comes out without problems (and from experience with the nova system it seems that I need more functionality) I can get a g system in the end.

How much difference was there in price? I didn't see the unit advertised anywhere, except on the TCE site.

 

[Skrln]

It appears the price is now the same. Couple of weeks ago the regular nova was 379€ in europe and the limeted 450€ or something. They are now equal.

 

[steve_k]

It appears the price is now the same. Couple of weeks ago the regular nova was 379€ in europe and the limeted 450€ or something. They are now equal.

I wonder if the LE released in the US. Don't see any online retailers in the US. Maybe it was a European release. Or, maybe I missed it. I will probably just pick up a regular Nova to check out.

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

It appears the price is now the same. Couple of weeks ago the regular nova was 379€ in europe and the limeted 450€ or something. They are now equal.

I wonder if the LE released in the US. Don't see any online retailers in the US. Maybe it was a European release. Or, maybe I missed it. I will probably just pick up a regular Nova to check out.

Steve

Remember that you can't use the Nova system with the 4 Cable Method, that's the reason why I never looked at the Nova. When I first tried the G I thought it sucked, but after a few days of tweaking I finally got it right and my amp sounds the same whether the G-system is connected or not. I'm using the 4-cable-method. Of course if your amps loop sucks then this could be a problem.

 

[steve_k]

It appears the price is now the same. Couple of weeks ago the regular nova was 379€ in europe and the limeted 450€ or something. They are now equal.

I wonder if the LE released in the US. Don't see any online retailers in the US. Maybe it was a European release. Or, maybe I missed it. I will probably just pick up a regular Nova to check out.

Steve

Remember that you can't use the Nova system with the 4 Cable Method, that's the reason why I never looked at the Nova. When I first tried the G I thought it sucked, but after a few days of tweaking I finally got it right and my amp sounds the same whether the G-system is connected or not. I'm using the 4-cable-method. Of course if your amps loop sucks then this could be a problem.

True......+1 for sucky ass FX loops. Not interested in a 4CM. Just some multiFX for the loop on the floor, nothing racked.

Steve

 

[Gainzilla]

Simple solution. Digitech RP1000 . Doesnt have MIDI but for 250-275 mint used all day, it ROCKS and ill take it over the TC every time..

Youre welcome!!

 

[steve_k]

Simple solution. Digitech RP1000 . Doesnt have MIDI but for 250-275 mint used all day, it ROCKS and ill take it over the TC every time..

Youre welcome!!

Thanks. Task complete.....exactly what I need, and with a built in expression pedal and Lexicon FX. And.....made in the USA.

 

[Gainzilla]

Simple solution. Digitech RP1000 . Doesnt have MIDI but for 250-275 mint used all day, it ROCKS and ill take it over the TC every time..

Youre welcome!!

Thanks. Task complete.....exactly what I need, and with a built in expression pedal and Lexicon FX. And.....made in the USA.

seriously Bro, its so good that its shocking. You also have the option of using their GSP1101 which is essentially the RP1000 in a one space rack unit. It does have MIDI which is usefull in switching channels if your so inclined. It uses a proprietary floorboard that has the expression pedal in it and its phantom powered. you can chuck that where ever you want it out front and saves you the long signal runs from 4 cabling...

 

[steve_k]

Simple solution. Digitech RP1000 . Doesnt have MIDI but for 250-275 mint used all day, it ROCKS and ill take it over the TC every time..

Youre welcome!!

Thanks. Task complete.....exactly what I need, and with a built in expression pedal and Lexicon FX. And.....made in the USA.

seriously Bro, its so good that its shocking. You also have the option of using their GSP1101 which is essentially the RP1000 in a one space rack unit. It does have MIDI which is usefull in switching channels if your so inclined. It uses a proprietary floorboard that has the expression pedal in it and its phantom powered. you can chuck that where ever you want it out front and saves you the long signal runs from 4 cabling...

I don't need any MIDI or rack stuff. Got plenty of that. Was wanting to get rid of all the stomps and essentially have a rack unit on the floor only for the loop. So, 4CM no needed either. No mess and no fuss. Amp switches channels and solo boost with analog. That and the multi-FX is all I need. So, hopefully, I am good to go here and keeping it simple.

Thanks again for the heads-up.

Steve

 

[thiswaythatway]

I take back anything good I said about the G-System. I did a lot of messing around with it today, it's very simply a tone-sucker in the 4-cm. If you add input gain from the G-System, yes it helps get your tone back, but it also adds noise to everything and dirties up your cleans. There are acceptable levels where you can use the thing and if you're cranking a halfstack maybe it wouldn't be as bad, but the best thing I did tonight was just unplg the thing and BAMM, there was my bottm end.

I've tried a buffer and read that "white book". When someone out there writes a book on how to try to get something to work right then you know something's up.

 

[Shark Diver]

I take back anything good I said about the G-System. I did a lot of messing around with it today, it's very simply a tone-sucker in the 4-cm. If you add input gain from the G-System, yes it helps get your tone back, but it also adds noise to everything and dirties up your cleans. There are acceptable levels where you can use the thing and if you're cranking a halfstack maybe it wouldn't be as bad, but the best thing I did tonight was just unplg the thing and BAMM, there was my bottm end.

I've tried a buffer and read that "white book". When someone out there writes a book on how to try to get something to work right then you know something's up.

+ 1 I've been saying it since the original. Everyone told me I didn't know how to set it up.

2 upgrades later, both on the front end by the way, and still they don't really have it down.

 

[ttosh]

The new one is a Pro Guitar Shop Exclusive from what I have heard. Different color and new buffer and that is the only changes. You can get a used one for $600 on eBay most of the time. I would send to Friedman and ask if he can fix the front end for a little cash and probably have a great system. The concept is cool as can be and in some applications it works very well. However Laird points out a lot of reasons for the issues and tries to educate on the simple fact that impedence is not the G Systems fault in the 4cm. There is no possible way for it to handle every amps loop out there and sound perfect without being prepared to spend some money on additional stuff to make it work right. If you go into knowing that and being okay with it you can make it work most of the time. However there are some systems I feel it just will not work with no matter how much money you throw at it. I for one think if you can get it working the $1600 is not really that steep at all. You would pay around $800 for a used G Force and another $800-$1000 for a MIDI pedal board and it would not be as sturdy as the G System. That is already more than the G System and you still get the 4 loops for pedals that are MIDI switchable, power for the pedals if they are standard pedals.

There are a lot of upset TC G System users like the Axe FX users when the Axe FX II came out. However TC could send an upgrade kit to at least the guys who bought the red one for this very fix. They should have also added an additional loop you could place anywhere in the signal chain and some other upgrades to this version. But Pro Guitar Shop wanted to get the buffer right this time. I have no idea if it is or not, but like I said above there is no way the buffer is going to work IMHO with all systems without possibly adding other items depending on the application.

 

[Shark Diver]

However TC could send an upgrade kit to at least the guys who bought the red one for this very fix.

What kit? Are you saying there is one, or that they should have made one? What would it fix?

 

[ttosh]

However TC could send an upgrade kit to at least the guys who bought the red one for this very fix.

What kit? Are you saying there is one, or that they should have made one? What would it fix?

A lot of users with the second version updated buffer thinks there should be a release/package sent to them with the instructions and parts for the new buffer. As far as what would it fix? I really do not know this buffer will fix the problem. Maybe it will for the most part. If it would I would buy another in a second. Like I said I think the concept is great, the effects are not bad and the foot controller is built like a tank and cool as hell looking to me. But if you cannot use the 4cm and you have to bypass the front end you lose half the appeal of what it is all about. I know you already know this, as stated above. I am curious and heading to the TC forum to see if anybody says it fixes their problems if they purchased one, etc....

 

[thiswaythatway]

However TC could send an upgrade kit to at least the guys who bought the red one for this very fix.

What kit? Are you saying there is one, or that they should have made one? What would it fix?

A lot of users with the second version updated buffer thinks there should be a release/package sent to them with the instructions and parts for the new buffer. As far as what would it fix? I really do not know this buffer will fix the problem. Maybe it will for the most part. If it would I would buy another in a second. Like I said I think the concept is great, the effects are not bad and the foot controller is built like a tank and cool as hell looking to me. But if you cannot use the 4cm and you have to bypass the front end you lose half the appeal of what it is all about. I know you already know this, as stated above. I am curious and heading to the TC forum to see if anybody says it fixes their problems if they purchased one, etc....

No matter what though, the modulation block is useless being post-preamp, and I haven't been able to get the intelligent pitch shifter to sound good.

 

[Milerky2]

Bad thing is, only other floor option out there for 4CM is the M13.
Anyone like this unit?

 

[thiswaythatway]

Bad thing is, only other floor option out there for 4CM is the M13.
Anyone like this unit?

Nope. Digitech RP1000. Some guys who I trust like Gainfreak, Kage, and Greavygeo are using that and reporting very good results. I find it amazing that they got the cheap little RP1000 to sound transparent and to be able to put modulation where you want, yet the G-system can't do that for 3 times the cost.

 

[steve_k]

Bad thing is, only other floor option out there for 4CM is the M13.
Anyone like this unit?

Nope. Digitech RP1000. Some guys who I trust like Gainfreak, Kage, and Greavygeo are using that and reporting very good results. I find it amazing that they got the cheap little RP1000 to sound transparent and to be able to put modulation where you want, yet the G-system can't do that for 3 times the cost.

The RP1000 is the one I ordered. Should be here in a few days.

 

[ttosh]

However TC could send an upgrade kit to at least the guys who bought the red one for this very fix.

What kit? Are you saying there is one, or that they should have made one? What would it fix?

A lot of users with the second version updated buffer thinks there should be a release/package sent to them with the instructions and parts for the new buffer. As far as what would it fix? I really do not know this buffer will fix the problem. Maybe it will for the most part. If it would I would buy another in a second. Like I said I think the concept is great, the effects are not bad and the foot controller is built like a tank and cool as hell looking to me. But if you cannot use the 4cm and you have to bypass the front end you lose half the appeal of what it is all about. I know you already know this, as stated above. I am curious and heading to the TC forum to see if anybody says it fixes their problems if they purchased one, etc....

No matter what though, the modulation block is useless being post-preamp, and I haven't been able to get the intelligent pitch shifter to sound good.

I agree on both counts. Their pitch shifting is like a toy. After hearing the shifting in the H3000 and Eclipse there was no use for the TC stuff, even the G Force cannot touch Eventide on this.