New Marshall Origin amps..

[Spaceboy]

It’s funny watching the different type of crowds on various message boards react wildly different to these amps.

These are entry level Marshalls for bedroom classic rock noodlers. If you need gain, the revamped DSL line exists. Gear junkies are clearly not the intended demographic with the Origin, they’re reaching a larger and more common audience. It sound fantastic considering it costs $600.

 

[blackba]

It’s funny watching the different type of crowds on various message boards react wildly different to these amps.

These are entry level Marshalls for bedroom classic rock noodlers. If you need gain, the revamped DSL line exists. Gear junkies are clearly not the intended demographic with the Origin, they’re reaching a larger and more common audience. It sound fantastic considering it costs $600.

Exactly. I see this as a huge change for Marshall, who prior to 2010, didn't really have a budget tube amp line. I think this will bring more Marshall tube amps to the masses and compete with Blackstar, Bugera, etc.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Sound pretty good to me too but let's be honest.. as others have mentioned here, reissuing the jubilee and jubilee minis was a great idea. Now they need to follow suit and knock it out of the park with a reissue 800 with a few tone shaping options and a Jose of some sort. How can this possibly not come up in team brain storming meetings? They already have the chassis and logos and layout, nothing has to change. Just the guts and a few extra holes.

 

[cardinal]

Marshall has tried the Haze and Class 5 as budget tube amps, right? And little DSL heads. Maybe the Origin is an improvement on those, which would be great.

But really: how can they watch something like Friedman eat their lunch and not just make a Jose 800 thing?

 

[bhuard75]

But really: how can they watch something like Friedman eat their lunch and not just make a Jose 800 thing?

Friedman is eating more than lunch here.

 

[Oblivion DC]

I thought that sounded terrible.

Seriously. The “high gain” sounds like dogshit. No me gusta.

 

[stephen sawall]

I don't know why Marshall wouldn't produce a Jose style amp and something similar to an Aldrich mod. They would sell a few more of these rather than budget amps.

Might be because this isn't the 1980's ?
Has anyone been real successful in making and selling a Jose ? I mean a major brand.

 

[RaceU4her]

I don't know why Marshall wouldn't produce a Jose style amp and something similar to an Aldrich mod. They would sell a few more of these rather than budget amps.

wasnt that basically what the SL-X was supposed to be?

 

[napalmdeath]

Jezus....that vid sounds like ass

Watching the once great Marshall brand flounder around like this is just sad.

I'd hardly make such a bold statement, based on "clips", that are poorly recorded, nor does it display the 50 watt through a 4x12. It's a boxy little combo with a V-type speaker that sucks, and not broken in to boot.

 

[RaceU4her]

nor does it display the 50 watt through a 4x12.

i dont know why they would demo that combo instead of the head, thats very cool imo

 

[napalmdeath]

nor does it display the 50 watt through a 4x12.

i dont know why they would demo that combo instead of the head, thats very cool imo

A guy who works for Marshall at TGP said he demo'd the 50 extensively. He said the 50 sounds much bigger, and tighter. Said more Plexi than JCM800, but stated he ran a TS in front and it sounded glorious.

I'm after a more AC/DC type tone more these days, but a bit more gain and a tad more aggressive. We'll see when some more competent demo's start popping up. The 50 watt head is right up my alley, and switchable to 10 watts and 1 watt, is pretty sweet too, as well as a loop!

I'm inclined to believe most of the snobbery is due to them being built in Vietnam.

 

[Racerxrated]

I don't know why Marshall wouldn't produce a Jose style amp and something similar to an Aldrich mod. They would sell a few more of these rather than budget amps.

wasnt that basically what the SL-X was supposed to be?

The original 87 Jubilee was Marshalls first answer to the Joses, the pull rhythm clip engages the led clipper and drops the volume a bit, like a Jose.

 

[Bloodrock]

They’ve redesigned the DSL’s as well. Just listened to the demo and it sounds like they’ve tweaked the eq much better. 2nd od channel actually sounds useable. Plus 2 new master volumes, and you can now midi footswich all modes, channels, masters, and loop. Pretty cool!

 

[napalmdeath]

Interesting post by Santiago over at Marshall:

Lots of speculation... The only I can clarify is that I started those amps and they were pretty much complete when I left BUT the amps that are released are different so I don't know what's actually in there although obviously the platform is the same.

As per what the amps were by the time I left: full tube amps, somehow related in a way to a 2061 with switchable extra gain (no extra stage nor solid started booster), Bass, Mid, Treble EQ and Tilt control. They had reverb, FX loop, emulated line out, footswitch and a 4 position attenuator so depending on the front panel power setting one could fine tune the final level with the attenuator or record without completely in silence by taking the signal after the power amp using the internal attenuator as power soak.

They were 50W/5W and 18W/2W 2xEL34 push-pull plus 5W/1W 1xEL34 switchable on the front panel. I had a combination of class AB/class A and cathode bias/fixed bias with different HT voltages for the push pull amps so the class of operation and output power could be changed depending on the front panel setting. The 5W single ended was the same amp as in the SL5, which is basically half standard push-pull running in class A. Whatever is in the current amps, I do not know.

The amps were started as the crunch channel for a Satriani combo and the tilt control is an idea to try to balance the brightness that many amps have when the gain setting is low. I presented the function as something similar in a way to be able to balance the treble and normal inputs in a 4 input amp although is not 100% the same. The name Tilt comes from a relatively old EQ method that with of single knob either boosted the bass or the treble by 'tilting' the frequency response from \ to / if that makes sense.

The original protos are featured in the song San Francisco Blue by Joe Satriani in both rhythm and solo tracks, appeared pictured in some magazines on top of several vintage amps and also appears in few videos of Paul Gilbert as he really liked the amp when I presented it to him so we sent a prototype for him to play and send feedback for development purposes.

Regarding the final released amps you'll need to wait till someone checks the amps or Marshall discloses more info... I can only talk about what I had in my bench by then. Obviously the reverb, line out and attenuator for example are gone, perhaps some other stuff has been changed too so take all the functions I tried to explain with a pinch of salt.

In any case I've heard the new amps and they sound very good to me.

Hope it helps!

 

[Racerxrated]

Interesting post by Santiago over at Marshall:

Lots of speculation... The only I can clarify is that I started those amps and they were pretty much complete when I left BUT the amps that are released are different so I don't know what's actually in there although obviously the platform is the same.

As per what the amps were by the time I left: full tube amps, somehow related in a way to a 2061 with switchable extra gain (no extra stage nor solid started booster), Bass, Mid, Treble EQ and Tilt control. They had reverb, FX loop, emulated line out, footswitch and a 4 position attenuator so depending on the front panel power setting one could fine tune the final level with the attenuator or record without completely in silence by taking the signal after the power amp using the internal attenuator as power soak.

They were 50W/5W and 18W/2W 2xEL34 push-pull plus 5W/1W 1xEL34 switchable on the front panel. I had a combination of class AB/class A and cathode bias/fixed bias with different HT voltages for the push pull amps so the class of operation and output power could be changed depending on the front panel setting. The 5W single ended was the same amp as in the SL5, which is basically half standard push-pull running in class A. Whatever is in the current amps, I do not know.

The amps were started as the crunch channel for a Satriani combo and the tilt control is an idea to try to balance the brightness that many amps have when the gain setting is low. I presented the function as something similar in a way to be able to balance the treble and normal inputs in a 4 input amp although is not 100% the same. The name Tilt comes from a relatively old EQ method that with of single knob either boosted the bass or the treble by 'tilting' the frequency response from \ to / if that makes sense.

The original protos are featured in the song San Francisco Blue by Joe Satriani in both rhythm and solo tracks, appeared pictured in some magazines on top of several vintage amps and also appears in few videos of Paul Gilbert as he really liked the amp when I presented it to him so we sent a prototype for him to play and send feedback for development purposes.

Regarding the final released amps you'll need to wait till someone checks the amps or Marshall discloses more info... I can only talk about what I had in my bench by then. Obviously the reverb, line out and attenuator for example are gone, perhaps some other stuff has been changed too so take all the functions I tried to explain with a pinch of salt.

In any case I've heard the new amps and they sound very good to me.

Hope it helps!

Good info, thanks for posting!

 

[Wizard of Ozz]

I don't know why Marshall wouldn't produce a Jose style amp and something similar to an Aldrich mod. They would sell a few more of these rather than budget amps.

... because they have their heads shoved so far up their asses they can't see the potential it would have. And they are only interested in mass appeal, cheap manufacturing, P/L statements, and marketing/licensing "lifestyle" products like refrigerators, t-shirts, headphones and bluetooth speakers. Money, money, money. Who care's what a few hard-core fans know will sell?

Sad, but true.

How long until they move production to India when then find out they can save $.10 cents per hour on labor & production costs?

 

[godgrinder]

These might be cool modding platforms.

 

[tof_sten]

We were very lucky to shoot a video of the Marshall Origin at NAMM. I really enjoyed it and hope to get one for a proper demo!