NEWS FLASH: All Noise Gates Suck…Tone

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NS-2 after the tuner.
Looping the overdrive and boost pedals.

Only time I use it is with highgain amps boost or overdrive to tighten the sound.

I have placed it after the overdrive and boost pedals. But loose too much of the touch sensitivity.
 
JimAnsell said:
i could never get along with noise gates either. the fatty part of my right palm is all the noise gate i need...i've learned to accept hum and noise as a natural part of the overall tonal experience.
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we couldnt be in a band, my biggest pet peeve in music is bands that dont use gates and have noise and feed back during their pauses :LOL:
 
acceptance said:
Where do you guys put your ns2? I actually like it best first, even though it allows a negligable amount of noise from noisier pedals after it. I have never tried the X cable method. Just seems too cumbersome.
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Yeah I put it just after my tuner even though some extreme pedal usage can still amplify remaining noise. That’s just not usually what I’m doing. I have messed around with doing it where you run the boost and OD pedals in the NS-2’s loop and the method where you also run the gate in the amp’s loop, both work well enough for their purpose but they just aren’t necessary for me other than in isolated cases.
 
I used the TC Electronic Sentry.

Nowadays, I gate at several stages on my Helix. The gates are not fantastic, but they're usable enough if you gate at several stages, IME.

I have the Decimator (original one), and it did thin out the tone a bit when engaged. I tried recording it to actually analyze what it was doing to the tone, and I noticed it actually clipped/compressed the signal.

I hate the Decimator, TBH. Well, maybe "hate" is exaggerating, but I do think it's way overrated. It wasn't 100% transparent. It was too slow for the hard stop and go riffs (I don't play Djent, but I do play Death Metal), and there was no way of tweaking it to make it faster.


Honestly, though, I do think building your tone around what the noise gate does is not such a bad idea. Unless you actually have it off at times for example, on your same rhythm tone.
 
RaceU4her said:
we couldnt be in a band, my biggest pet peeve in music is bands that dont use gates and have noise and feed back during their pauses :LOL:
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When I was younger, I played in bands that rehearsed entirely too loud (with scooped mids & too much gain) and learned to use my volume knob to prevent that.

Now I do it an auto-pilot so much, it's hard to see a need for a noise gate... until I play with guys who don't understand that concept & insist that they get one.

I have thought about trying a momentary kill switch on my pedal board for the handful of riffs my current band does with hard stops. I wonder if anyone makes a tuner pedal that will do that rather than latching on/off.
 
TexasBaritone said:
I don’t hear any tone suck with my Zulu+ dialed in using the key input with the serial effects loop of my Mesa Boogie JP2C. For high gain rhythm tones, it sounds awesome. For leads, I click it off just because I like to sustain notes longer than what is optimal for rhythm settings.
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How do you have your hold and release set?
 
cobrahead1030 said:
When I was younger, I played in bands that rehearsed entirely too loud (with scooped mids & too much gain) and learned to use my volume knob to prevent that.

Now I do it an auto-pilot so much, it's hard to see a need for a noise gate... until I play with guys who don't understand that concept & insist that they get one.

I have thought about trying a momentary kill switch on my pedal board for the handful of riffs my current band does with hard stops. I wonder if anyone makes a tuner pedal that will do that rather than latching on/off.
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Yeah I never actually had a noise gate when I was in a metal band that played out regularly. Actually I had no pedals at all, didn’t know about boosting with an OD or anything, and I don’t think most bands we played with knew about it either. We all sounded pretty bad. :LOL:

But I also developed the reflex of rolling off my volume or in some cases switching to my clean channel in between songs. I never actually had a lot of noise problems though because I never used gobs of gain. As soon as I felt like I was losing attack on my palm mutes I would back off.
 
cobrahead1030 said:
When I was younger, I played in bands that rehearsed entirely too loud (with scooped mids & too much gain) and learned to use my volume knob to prevent that.

Now I do it an auto-pilot so much, it's hard to see a need for a noise gate... until I play with guys who don't understand that concept & insist that they get one.

I have thought about trying a momentary kill switch on my pedal board for the handful of riffs my current band does with hard stops. I wonder if anyone makes a tuner pedal that will do that rather than latching on/off.
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there just wasnt enough time in the pauses and start/stops at the speeds my old bands played at to roll on and off and play cleanly, even if there was i dont know why one would want all that added work. why not just use a gate instead of a switch, i dont understand?
 
cobrahead1030 said:
When I was younger, I played in bands that rehearsed entirely too loud (with scooped mids & too much gain) and learned to use my volume knob to prevent that.

Now I do it an auto-pilot so much, it's hard to see a need for a noise gate... until I play with guys who don't understand that concept & insist that they get one.

I have thought about trying a momentary kill switch on my pedal board for the handful of riffs my current band does with hard stops. I wonder if anyone makes a tuner pedal that will do that rather than latching on/off.
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Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Zakk Wylde only just started using a noise gate, and that's just for the Pantera thing. All those years playing with Ozzy he rode the volume knob - and his amps didn't have clean channels neither, just JCM800s opened up.

I use a gate but just for reduction. I usually keep my neck pickup rolled down to 0 and switch to that for pauses and rests. The gate just kills the hum from my pedals and amp.
 
Chronic Narnia said:
How do you have your hold and release set?
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Here’s how I had it set when I first had it.
I still have hold at 10 o’clock, but now I run the release a bit lower between 10 and 11 o’clock.
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RaceU4her said:
there just wasnt enough time in the pauses and start/stops at the speeds my old bands played at to roll on and off and play cleanly, even if there was i dont know why one would want all that added work. why not just use a gate instead of a switch, i dont understand?
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It makes tone better too
 
Tried to order a Zuul+ today. The website was not secure.
 
dave74 said:
Which gate do they say is the same as the one in the Kerry King jcm800?
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Santiago at Marshall designed the Kerry King signature amp, the 2203KK JCM800 has been around since 2007. It only took a decade for people to start cloning the noise gate.


This noise gate was cloned in the Zuul, Cock Blocker, Phalanx, Endless Blockade, Tannhauser, etc....


"Marshall’s engineers developed a special noise gate circuit with a threshold control.

Most noise gates completely kill the sound once it drops below a certain threshold,” Bowcott says. “This noise gate has an ultrafast expander circuit that’s similar to what you’ll find in a studio-quality noise reduction unit. It will work extremely fast during tight, precise staccato rhythms, giving you those desired ‘holes of silence.’

When it comes to sustained notes, though, the expander gradually attenuates the signal by following the dynamics of the note, giving you a much more natural-sounding gating that won’t prematurely cut off the end of a note or chord that you want to ring.”


This is considered by many to be the best noise gate for guitar.


Personally I use a BOSS NS-2. It adds a bit of midrange. But the only time I use it is when using a OD / boost....and they all pretty much add midrange.
 
stephen sawall said:
Santiago at Marshall designed the Kerry King signature amp, the 2203KK JCM800 has been around since 2007. It only took a decade for people to start cloning the noise gate.


This noise gate was cloned in the Zuul, Cock Blocker, Phalanx, Endless Blockade, Tannhauser, etc....
I love ns2

"Marshall’s engineers developed a special noise gate circuit with a threshold control.

Most noise gates completely kill the sound once it drops below a certain threshold,” Bowcott says. “This noise gate has an ultrafast expander circuit that’s similar to what you’ll find in a studio-quality noise reduction unit. It will work extremely fast during tight, precise staccato rhythms, giving you those desired ‘holes of silence.’

When it comes to sustained notes, though, the expander gradually attenuates the signal by following the dynamics of the note, giving you a much more natural-sounding gating that won’t prematurely cut off the end of a note or chord that you want to ring.”


This is considered by many to be the best noise gate for guitar.


Personally I use a BOSS NS-2. It adds a bit of midrange. But the only time I use it is when using a OD / boost....and they all pretty much add midrange.
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RaceU4her said:
we couldnt be in a band, my biggest pet peeve in music is bands that dont use gates and have noise and feed back during their pauses :LOL:
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This made me remember that we rang out the end of almost all of our songs with feedback. Not for a super long amount of time, but enough to where it was clear that we had a problem ending songs. :doh:
 
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