NEWS FLASH: All Noise Gates Suck…Tone

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JimAnsell said:
This made me remember that we rang out the end of almost all of our songs with feedback. Not for a super long amount of time, but enough to where it was clear that we had a problem ending songs. :doh:
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oh dude the tight endings are crucial!! like if white zombie ended this song with some annoying feed back or crackling, it just wouldnt be good. you need the crisp end with the lights cut off quick and let the crowd roar lol

 
How exactly can a noise gate suck tone? If it is open signal passes if it is closed it doesn’t. I can see where noise reduction can, but not a noise gate. I guess if using it incorrectly and setting the threshold too high that could do something.
 
Greazygeo said:
How exactly can a noise gate suck tone? If it is open signal passes if it is closed it doesn’t. I can see where noise reduction can, but not a noise gate. I guess if using it incorrectly and setting the threshold too high that could do something.
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All of them color the sound in some way. That is usually what they are talking about.
 
My boss NS's dont suck tone at all in both my rigs. As long as you are setting them up properly in chain etc
 
I use the golem and it actually addressed the issues I had with the Zuul. The thing with the noise gates the manufacturers of the chips give instructions on how to use them (for the guys who are actual EE's, not people who are copying). Everyone has different taste and rigs so I don't think there is a one size fits all.
 
ClintN667 said:
I use the golem and it actually addressed the issues I had with the Zuul. The thing with the noise gates the manufacturers of the chips give instructions on how to use them (for the guys who are actual EE's, not people who are copying). Everyone has different taste and rigs so I don't think there is a one size fits all.
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What issues did you have with the Zuul ?

What version of Zuul did you use ?
 
stephen sawall said:
What issues did you have with the Zuul ?

What version of Zuul did you use ?
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The issue I had with the zuul is how quick it would clamp down. For me only 40% of the dial was useful. I wanted a little bit more flexibility. I also wanted to be able to have different settings depending on what I was doing. The golem is basically like a 2 channel gate. So I can use a heavier gate on rhythm and less on leads.

I went from an Ns-2 to the zuul then from the zuul to the golem. At one point I had the regular zuul and the zuul mini on two different pedalboards connected to two different amps. I wouldn't be against using a zuul plus but I would never go back to an ns-2
 
RaceU4her said:
there just wasnt enough time in the pauses and start/stops at the speeds my old bands played at to roll on and off and play cleanly, even if there was i dont know why one would want all that added work. why not just use a gate instead of a switch, i dont understand?
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I've still yet to find a noise gate I really get along with. I've got a decimator I've been toying around with, which is ok but I don't love it.

I had a volume pedal I used for a while, which pretty much accomplished what I needed in that regard, though it wasn't the only reason I had it. The switch idea honestly just seems like would be fun to have onstage.
 
Bardagh said:
Yeah I never actually had a noise gate when I was in a metal band that played out regularly. Actually I had no pedals at all, didn’t know about boosting with an OD or anything, and I don’t think most bands we played with knew about it either. We all sounded pretty bad. :LOL:

But I also developed the reflex of rolling off my volume or in some cases switching to my clean channel in between songs. I never actually had a lot of noise problems though because I never used gobs of gain. As soon as I felt like I was losing attack on my palm mutes I would back off.
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You sound like me when I bought my first 800. I didn’t know shit about boosting or anything.
 
So I bought a Zuul+. I tried it yesterday with a few overdrive / boost pedals.
Haven't tried it with any distortion or fuzz pedals yet.
4 cable method not using the amp loop.
Tremoverb - Ampeg System Switcher - four 4x12 cabs.
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stephen sawall said:
So I bought a Zuul+. I tried it yesterday with a few overdrive / boost pedals.
Haven't tried it with any distortion or fuzz pedals yet.
4 cable method not using the amp loop.
Tremoverb - Ampeg System Switcher - four 4x12 cabs.
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So I’ll get lynched here but the Phalanx for a one knob gate works the best but even better…drum roll….the TC Sentry gate.

Only because you can adjust EVERY aspect via the app and can dial in anything you are looking for. It’s incredible actually. I was shocked
 
PurityS.L.G said:
So I’ll get lynched here but the Phalanx for a one knob gate works the best but even better…drum roll….the TC Sentry gate.

Only because you can adjust EVERY aspect via the amp and can dial in anything you are looking for. It’s incredible actually. I was shocked
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I have seen a number of people prefer the TC. Seems to give the most control.

I am going to try a few fuzz with the Zuul+. Fuzz for me tends to be revealing with noise gates.
 
stephen sawall said:
I have seen a number of people prefer the TC. Seems to give the most control.

I am going to try a few fuzz with the Zuul+. Fuzz for me tends to be revealing with noise gates.
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Trust me man. I had my wife buy me the ZUUL+ thinking it would be the best but nah, not even close. It doesn’t color tone as much as others but it’s a djent ON/OFF gate. No worthiness of hanging leads whatsoever. TC lets you dial in sustain. Unbelievable but daunting as well. You gotta read manual to understand It
 
PurityS.L.G said:
Trust me man. I had my wife buy me the ZUUL+ thinking it would be the best but nah, not even close. It doesn’t color tone as much as others but it’s a djent ON/OFF gate. No worthiness of hanging leads whatsoever. TC lets you dial in sustain. Unbelievable but daunting as well. You gotta read manual to understand It
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Did you use the 2 cable or 4 cable method with the Zuul+ ?
 
That's why I keep my 2 gates in a cae loop switcher.Low gain stuff= dnt need em,high gain stuff = choose a loop: 1 is low threshold setting, loop 2 is heavy threshold setting. This way both are completely out of the signal path when I dnt need one on.
 
I was talking about this with a friend earlier today. You really need a few different settings for different types of sounds.

Plugged in the Heartbreaker tonight for awhile. The two channels are Fender blackface and Marshall JTM. A other gain stage can be added to either channel. Having different settings on the noise gate is useful.
 
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