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acceptance said:
See, here's a great example: I said, "trying to squirrel out of admitting that the missions are taxpayer funded" and you're talking about the relative size of CLPS to NASA's overall budget, that Intuitive built their own lander and so on.
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you are saying i'm trying to "squirrel out of admitting something" when I am straight up admitting to you that taxes are being spent on it. How is mentioning the percentage not admitting it? Unless I say the percentage is 0, I'm admitting it. jeez dude lol
 
Floyd Eye said:
See, even if I believed what the Bible says this would be a serious divergence for me. It would take a hell of a lot less than murdering someone I love for me to kill a deserving person and sleep like a baby afterwards.

Besides, human beings are generally pretty fucked up. If that’s the image of Christ you guys pick some strange shit to worship and adore.
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Thumbpicker said:
The reason why it is useless to pray for people after they have died is that their judgement is in God's hands. We can't change what they have done in life at that point. That's what God is judging them on. God will not see their sin for the purpose of judgement if it has been atoned for by Christ ie. they believed in Jesus and repented iduring life.
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https://www.saintjohnchurch.org/prayer-for-the-dead/

First and foremost, the Orthodox pray for the dead because the Bible tells us to. As members of the Church, the Body of Christ, we are exhorted to pray for one another (James 5:16). Whether we live or die, “we belong to the Lord” (Romans 14:8). For we are “members of His Body, of His flesh and of His bones” (Ephesians 5:30). The Church is “the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God”. As such, she includes “tens of thousands of angels” and “the spirits of righteous people made perfect” as well as those of us alive on earth (Hebrews 12:22-24).

Because of Christ’s resurrection and victory over death, death does not end our membership in the Body of Christ. For neither “death nor life […] will separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). The Orthodox remember that God “is not the God of the dead, but of the living – for all are alive to Him (Luke 20:38). Therefore, we pray for both the living and for the “dead in Christ” (1 Thessalonians 4:16).

The most notable examples of prayer for the dead in Scripture are perhaps Judas Maccabaeus and Saint Paul the Apostle.

Judas Maccabaeus offered sacrifices and prayers for his fallen soldiers with the future resurrection of the dead in mind. As he said: “It is therefore a good and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, so they may be set loose from their sins” (2 Maccabees 12:39-46). Most Protestant Bibles don’t include this book as part of the canon. However, both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic canons use the Septuagint version of the Old Testament cited by Christ’s apostles in their writings.

Secondly, we have the Apostle Paul, who prays for his departed friend Onesiphorus. As he writes: “May the Lord grant that he find mercy from the Lord” on Judgment Day (2 Timothy 1:16-18). And so the Orthodox do likewise!
 
Well I agree with certain parts of that... Neither death or life will separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord... but that refers to Christians. Those who are not Christians and have died are actually separated unfortunately and there's nothing we can do to save them from the God's judgement once their life is over.

I don't agree the Bible tells us to pray for the dead. There are verses to the contrary however.

Yes that other book is in the apocrypha.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Well I agree with certain parts of that... Neither death or life will separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord... but that refers to Christians. Those who are not Christians and have died are actually separated unfortunately and there's nothing we can do to save them from the God's judgement once their life is over.

I don't agree the Bible tells us to pray for the dead. There are verses to the contrary however.

Yes that other book is in the apocrypha.
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In the book of Maccabees Judas is praying for soldiers killed in battle.

The apostles, and Christ himself, drew directly from those apocryphal books so though they aren't in the protestant bible, they are included in Catholic and Orthodox bibles. Christ celebrates Hannukah in the NT, a holiday which is found not in OT scripture but in the apocryphal works.
 
acceptance said:
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yes, and I feel like I have more than sufficiently explained what I meant by that by now. Several times actually. Intuitive Machines is not a NASA program. NASA gave them business as part of a NASA program sure, but I see that as 2 different things. I even went on to say it saved "you" tax dollars because it costs NASA way less money to farm this stuff out than doing it in house. The shit is gonna happen one way or the other dude
 
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