No wonder this fucker won Guitar Idol!

[Jim Soloway]

Definitely talented, but the song didn't really do anything for me. Am I the only one who thinks some of the "virtuoso" playing today is a bit boring and formulaic? Maybe I just long for the days of players like Jimmy Page whose rampant mistakes actually contributed to the emotion of the song:

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

 

[Bob Savage]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

 

[stephen sawall]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

You may be impressed with my slop. I do not really peak till I have drank to much. Right about there I turn in to a virtuoso.

There is a certain kind of rawness that comes across as emotion and power.
After that it falls apart pretty quick.

I agree with Steve ..... I lose interest pretty soon, I feel like I am watching a actor posing. Not real life. ..... not to say it was not good.

 

[nbarts]

I have to watch this thing next time I'm trying to fall asleep & I can't. Yea, he can move his fingers, MUCH better than I do, but I felt nothing in his music, complete boredom. Now put some Gary Moore on, tears drop off of his strings.

 

[glpg80]

I have to watch this thing next time I'm trying to fall asleep & I can't. Yea, he can move his fingers, MUCH better than I do, but I felt nothing in his music, complete boredom. Now put some Gary Moore on, tears drop off of his strings.

+1

felt like i was watching a saturday night guitar jam in someones basement.

he soloed in D the entire time. was so boring.

he knows his way around a fretboard yes, but damn thats just not "guitar idol" worthy. divine heresy, romeo, gilbert, jason, gary, stevie... these guitarists put the feeling behind the notes, or arange them in such a way that it never gets old to hear.

id die if i had to listen to that over and over again.

 

[Jim Soloway]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

I view mistakes in two ways: as a player and as a listener. As a player, mistakes show me my weaknesses and push me to learn and improve, but as a listener they are an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience.

 

[Bob Savage]

I view mistakes in two ways: as a player and as a listener. As a player, mistakes show me my weaknesses and push me to learn and improve, but as a listener they are an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience.

You just have to be careful not to mix the player and listener because if you do, you'll nitpick everything to the point that very little can be enjoyed.

I don't require virtuosity to enjoy what I'm listening to.

 

[Anonymous]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

I view mistakes in two ways: as a player and as a listener. As a player, mistakes show me my weaknesses and push me to learn and improve, but as a listener they are an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience.

EVH made mistakes on the early VH recordings and yet the vast majority of guitar players revere those albums. I think its way overboard to infer that a guy like EVH was a lazy player who didn't respect his audience... I like things that sound human, personally...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

Sometimes the mistakes produce some very memorable musical moments. I'm with you...

Steve

 

[Jim Soloway]

I really don't get that. I've never believed that mistakes have ever contributed anything to any piece of music.

I've taken a different path and embraced mistakes as part of my technique. It's far simpler that way.

I view mistakes in two ways: as a player and as a listener. As a player, mistakes show me my weaknesses and push me to learn and improve, but as a listener they are an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience.

EVH made mistakes on the early VH recordings and yet the vast majority of guitar players revere those albums. I think its way overboard to infer that a guy like EVH was a lazy player who didn't respect his audience... I like things that sound human, personally...

Steve

Ummmmmmmm...I don't think I ever mentioned EVH, so any inference is your own.

 

[Bob Savage]

Ummmmmmmm...I don't think I ever mentioned EVH, so any inference is your own.

I believe the "inference" comes from stating that when you listen to music, mistakes from a guitar player are "an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience." Then Steve claimed that EVH made mistakes (and they added character), thus, EVH is "a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience."

It makes logical sense.

 

[Jim Soloway]

Ummmmmmmm...I don't think I ever mentioned EVH, so any inference is your own.

I believe the "inference" comes from stating that when you listen to music, mistakes from a guitar player are "an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience." Then Steve claimed that EVH made mistakes (and they added character), thus, EVH is "a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience."

It makes logical sense.

Actually, rethinking what I know of EVH, maybe the description does fit. He's a great player, but I don't think he's exactly been a model of self discipline.

 

[Bob Savage]

Actually, rethinking what I know of EVH, maybe the description does fit. He's a great player, but I don't think he's exactly been a model of self discipline.

Though you could hardly say that when he was cutting those early albums that he was "a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience," at least I don't see it that way. He was on fire back then, so I'd say that it doesn't fit if you're looking at 1978-1982, which I believe is the period Steve's referring to.

 

[Anonymous]

Ummmmmmmm...I don't think I ever mentioned EVH, so any inference is your own.

I believe the "inference" comes from stating that when you listen to music, mistakes from a guitar player are "an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience." Then Steve claimed that EVH made mistakes (and they added character), thus, EVH is "a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience."

It makes logical sense.

Actually, rethinking what I know of EVH, maybe the description does fit. He's a great player, but I don't think he's exactly been a model of self discipline.

I'm not really understanding where you're going with this, Jim. If you think EVH is a great player, yet he left mistakes in those amazing early records, by your own description, he was also a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience. Do you really feel that way? Do you really think those mistakes detracted from your enjoyment of those early records?

Personally, I feel they added a human element that makes those recordings all the more special...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

I thought it was pretty good!

 

[Mailman1971]

Very tasteful!
Makes me jealous and wish I could play like that.
Great style!

 

[Jim Soloway]

I'm not really understanding where you're going with this, Jim. If you think EVH is a great player, yet he left mistakes in those amazing early records, by your own description, he was also a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience. Do you really feel that way?

I don't think those qualities are mutually exclusive, especially in truly great players. But those players are great despite their mistakes, not because of them.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm not really understanding where you're going with this, Jim. If you think EVH is a great player, yet he left mistakes in those amazing early records, by your own description, he was also a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience. Do you really feel that way?

I don't think those qualities are mutually exclusive, especially in truly great players. But those players are great despite their mistakes, not because of them.

Fair enough, although I don't agree. Doesn't really answer my question, but I don't think you intend to.

Steve

 

[JLeurck]

Ummmmmmmm...I don't think I ever mentioned EVH, so any inference is your own.

I believe the "inference" comes from stating that when you listen to music, mistakes from a guitar player are "an annoying distraction and an indication of a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience." Then Steve claimed that EVH made mistakes (and they added character), thus, EVH is "a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience."

It makes logical sense.

Actually, rethinking what I know of EVH, maybe the description does fit. He's a great player, but I don't think he's exactly been a model of self discipline.

I'm not really understanding where you're going with this, Jim. If you think EVH is a great player, yet he left mistakes in those amazing early records, by your own description, he was also a lazy player with a lack of respect for his audience. Do you really feel that way? Do you really think those mistakes detracted from your enjoyment of those early records?

Personally, I feel they added a human element that makes those recordings all the more special...

Steve

You guys are like dogs with a bone when it comes to semantics! I kind of split the difference with what both parties are suggesting. Things can be too perfect - quantized, auto-tuned to death, squeezed and compressed to utter lifelessness. That kind of stuff doesn't sound human to me, and I don't enjoy it. However, I think it is disrespectful to any paying customer to not have your shit together when you go out there. Young Eddie was kind of like the rock version of Charlie Parker in the jazz world. His chops were so honed that he'd try to execute intricate ideas in a flash, and more often than not nail them. Total seat-of-the-pants flying by a guy who had the improvisational skill to pull it off. Got no problem with that. Go to any gig by a really good jazz artist and that's what you'd EXPECT to see. However, "Recent Eddie" either doesn't practice, or has lost some serious physical/mental ability due to self-abuse. If I spend money to see someone, I don't expect to see a clam-fest - I expect it to be apparent that they practiced and that the band has rehearsed. Perhaps this is what Jim is alluding to?

 

[JLeurck]

....BTW, that guy is a great player and I love his tone, but......................that tune was little more than a setup for wanking. I'd love to hear this guy attack different material.