mentoneman
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ran sound tonight for my friends chris lizotte and marc ford. played a few acoustic leads-one slide solo--taste and soul
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Steve's awesome if he only could have amounted to something the last 40 years ... 
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Note to OP...
Take up the drums, it might suit your tin ear.
Disturbing the Peace was Vai's 'here I am' to the mainstream rock community.
He announced his ear for tone, his ability to write riffs, to surprise with light & shade, and humor.
It also said he was able to lead a project and was not a mere shoefiller.
David Lee Roth took note and a superstar was born.
Up next, how Jim Carrey made a career out of goofing off.
Take up the drums, it might suit your tin ear.
Disturbing the Peace was Vai's 'here I am' to the mainstream rock community.
He announced his ear for tone, his ability to write riffs, to surprise with light & shade, and humor.
It also said he was able to lead a project and was not a mere shoefiller.
David Lee Roth took note and a superstar was born.
Up next, how Jim Carrey made a career out of goofing off.
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mentoneman":3kiepv2k said:
Some might say that Marc Ford is simply rehashing old blues licks. And that nothing fresh has been done in that genre since the 60s era Clapton, or at the very latest SRV. These same people might say that Vai has at least developed his own style/genre and voice that no one else has done.
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Alcatraz.........uuugggggg.
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Sick Squid":6fuuivfg said:
lol, I already play drums..maybe that's why my ears are tin? I'm partially deaf? I just can't believe how the simple title of the thread gets some of you guys jumping out of your skin..
As for "gimmick", I refer to his whole stage presence. The moves, the orgasm face, the sleeking across the stage like a panther. All this while stepping on a whammy pedal for expression or running enough effects and gain to hide the fact that you barely need to touch the strings for legato and hammer on and hammer offs. Don't forget the whammy bar abuse. The guy is a solid player and can write a catchy rythm. The guitar god shtick though, I ain't buying. I stick to my guns that Alcatraz IMO was not a good fit for his style. I also agree that he is technically able to play more and compose in a less gimmicky fashion if he were to choose to. Again though, that is at the discretion of the artist and he certainly doesn't have to change who he is for anyone. That isn't the point I am making at all. But then again, "what have I done" lol.. same old argument around here while those same people will piss all over Lynch and Jake E Lee... two "legends" in their own right.... right?
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Nobody could figure his playing out 30 years ago and damn sure cant now except Tony MacAlpine, Satch or similar.
Anyone that bashes Vai's playing as a guitarist doesn't know much about guitar.
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UDTBUDS":2qef8lbp said:
ok.
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I'm thinking you are looking at this retrospectively.
Having lived through the Flexable (on vinyl), Crossroads, Alcatrazz & DLR years as it happened, Via's use of the whammy bar, big bends and articulation made guitarists gasp at its originality. His stage presence was fresh, being a big departure from the tradition of standing in one spot (Angus excepted).
It's easy to go as far back and say something is dated. Of course it is, it was 30 years ago and has influenced how the instrument progressed. Steve can keep doing it as he invented it, and it is who he is.
Having lived through the Flexable (on vinyl), Crossroads, Alcatrazz & DLR years as it happened, Via's use of the whammy bar, big bends and articulation made guitarists gasp at its originality. His stage presence was fresh, being a big departure from the tradition of standing in one spot (Angus excepted).
It's easy to go as far back and say something is dated. Of course it is, it was 30 years ago and has influenced how the instrument progressed. Steve can keep doing it as he invented it, and it is who he is.
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1. I keep waiting for the lead singer to morph to mercury-like metal and appear as Robert Patrick querying
"Have you see this boy?"
2. Being critical of Vai is like being critical of the design and architecture of the universe. I'm sure 'you' could have done it soooo much better.
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Kapo_Polenton":3qw6fn96 said:
Probably, because you're not aware of how stupid it makes you look. I can't believe that you are unable to see how your original post in this thread makes you look like a pompous asshole (which you apparently are judging by your replies since).
"Note to Steve Vai...you probably should have never taken the Alcatrazz gig..." Who the fuck are you? As if you should be an authority on anything you nobody. It's one thing to have an opinion, but you posted it in the way you did and then wonder why everyone is looking at you like you're an idiot.....well,..duh. Not to mention how you relentlessly continue to discount his playing by saying he hides behind his effects and sum him up as a gimmick. You're clearly talking out of your ass!
So, ......don't be so surprised.
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RG955TT":splaizkr said:
Yes, if you can play with Zappa.....that's the real determining factor of whether you have skill or not.
Oh, and I'm not into slagging musicians either. Just because you don't like their music or their style doesn't make them bad. Just personal preference. There's no denying that Vai has skills. The other thing, since that video, I'm sure he has matured as a player. Again, I don't like it when musicians criticize other musicians. Sounds more like sour grapes.
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rsm
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"Steve Vai announces his retirement due to the comments on his playing at Rig-Talk, a guitar forum. Vai apologizes to his fans, saying the criticism is more than he can bear since he as looked to anonymous guitar playing wannabes for career guidance and key to his success."
more on this here: http://www.vai.com/
Nice going. You guys happy now? Geez, you made him cry too!
more on this here: http://www.vai.com/
Nice going. You guys happy now? Geez, you made him cry too!
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rsm":1fxawhkp said:
Kapo_Polenton
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lol, I could care less what any of you think of my personally or whether or not I am a pompous ass. Like Vai, and Celine Dion, my heart will go on. Different strokes for different folks! I can't wait to lurk in the Rig Talk shadows and hit all of you guys with the "well what have you done lately" when you have launch into a criticism of your own. End of the day, I don't like what he did to Yngwie's material. That's it that's all. The guy can play but I think he relies on effects way too much. If you keep coming at me with the same old nonsense then I will just have to reply back with my nonsense. End of the day, it's all nonsense isn't it? That's art! Now for the love of God, let this thread die...
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You brought it up....now you don't like it when we call you out. You were far more critical than just saying he doesn't do anything for you.
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Kapo_Polenton":b5yhe7nm said:
2 hours and 42 minutes of live Vai, go ahead and skim your way through it and pinpoint a spot where he's "relying" on anything but time and experience to pull of what he does.
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nigelpkay":2i6rq7lr said:
OMG, Adrian Vandeburg (probably mispelled) hid behind delay in his solo too!!!!!!!
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Plus in these vids he at least looks like a rock star guitar player too, not like all the fat, hairy, bearded, overly tattooed lumps with short hair (or no hair) that pass as rock guitarists these days.....looks like they just walked in from changing the oil on my car or something.