Note to Steve Vai...

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Kapo_Polenton":42bft2sx said:
ewill52":42bft2sx said:
Pure fucktardery. This guy is one of the most innovative and influential musicians to come out of the 80's. His style is distinct and when you hear him play you know who it is. He's not always my cup of tea but sweet jebus this is just pure stupidity. Troll.

Yup, i guess because you have stated it, it must be true! Sorry guys, i was not blown away by him when i saw him live and i never have been. Guess we listen with different ears. His playing at the show I have posted is pretty crappy in my opinion. I guess I just hold my guitar heroes to a higher standard . So I guess this is what it feels like to be the only guy in a billy lades thread who likes his amps?! I will let this die down for a bit and come back in a few days when you guys like me again. :thumbsup:

If you don't like his playing and have never been blown away with his playing why did you bother to go see him live, that's just dumb? I have never cared for his stuff and it does nothing for me but obviously he has become a Guitar God and that does not happen by mistake, so wait maybe you are the only person he has not fooled lol. Bad crappy guitar players do not become the Guitar God he has lol!

I would love to hear you play on a really good night if this performance was as crappy as you hear it being on one of his off nights.
 
Let's not stop with Vai, I got notes out on all these b*tches:

  • EVH: ease up on the gain
    Kirk Hammett: ditch the wah and stop surfing
    Jimmy Page: clean up that slop
    Satriani: lay off the whammy bar
    Di Meola: get a whammy bar
    Buckethead: lose that bucket
 
My only issue with Vai is some of those wacky getups he wears on stage.
 
Gotta somewhat agree with the OP.
The fact is Steve Vai had the chops to cop the Yngwie solo's but he half assed most of them.
Most of those Yngwie solos were iconic, but all he would do was play part of it then launch in to his wammy madness


 
Mesa\Kramer":1qfsbqqh said:
Gotta somewhat agree with the OP.
The fact is Steve Vai had the chops to cop the Yngwie solo's but he half assed most of them.
Most of those Yngwie solos were iconic, but all he would do was play part of it then launch in to his wammy madness


And that right there has been the debate of every hired gun ever... To what point do you do you? Do you rewrite everything? Do you play note for note? Do you play certain "iconic" phrases and do your thing elsewhere?

Everyone has their own opinions on the subject
 
oh yay my favorite topic; countess vaicula :rock:

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my admiration for him as a studio player came and went with the blue powder soundpage he did for guitar player in the mid 80s. it had some actual raw tone and playing moments that i though were great if you filtered out the non stop whammy pitch nonsense and quadruple overdubs. in my mind it's as close to my interest in hearing the guy play an entire album with a les paul and bassman as he ever achieved, with boy from seattle off alien love secrets as a distant second. maybe a delay and overdrive pedal would be ok, but drop the zany dry humping cartoon whammy wang bar sound fx shtick already.

i always took it as if he was influenced by his satch guitar lessons days playing outside the box vibrato bar chaos, but never matured fully enough to know when too much goody or weird was too much. satch has some of that in his early playing and recording too but he never seemed gawdy to me and was infinitely more interesting and mature as a player.

so i'll admit blue powder was pretty cool for that time era, however if i had to "watch" him track that in the studio-particularly the "tender" parts, i would have thrown up in my mouth.

his live tone and performance with roth on eatum and smile tour was impressive as well. the musical interplay with sheehan was fun to watch and listen to. more so than the studio album which again for me was so campy and silly compared to a typical VH album. it was the start of feeling like vai contaminated anyone he played with by making the misix silly and gimmick laden.

vai did the same thing with whitesnake. compare the sykes album with slip of the dung and it's a serious WTF gypsy disco b movie soundtrack. same with alcatrazz. for the record i consider graham bonnett's vocal performances on a par with eavesdropping in on a heated phone conversation between charles neslon riley and gilbert gilbert godfried, so any alcatrazz song is fabulously uprooted the instant that ear rapist cracks his pie hole, but as for the guitar playing and tone, alcatrazz w/yngwie was a life changing record i played until the grooves wore smooth. an amply hairy pair of mastodon testicles heaving to and fro in slow motion across the pre ice age volcanic tundra, compared to vai's discarded fly pubes on cold chicken nuggets happy meal. he disturbed my peace for sure. i think i listened to that album once or twice front to back and never listened again. utter disappointment.
 
mentoneman":2tpa2ljp said:
for the record i consider graham bonnett's vocal performances on a par with eavesdropping in on a heated phone conversation between charles neslon riley and gilbert gilbert godfried, so any alcatrazz song is fabulously uprooted the instant that ear rapist cracks his pie hole, but as for the guitar playing and tone, alcatrazz w/yngwie was a life changing record i played until the grooves wore smooth. an amply hairy pair of mastodon testicles heaving to and fro in slow motion across the pre ice age volcanic tundra, compared to vai's discarded fly pubes on cold chicken nuggets happy meal. he disturbed my peace for sure. i think i listened to that album once or twice front to back and never listened again. utter disappointment.

:lol: :LOL:

So nailed it.

If Bonnett was on a forum everything would be in caps. Obviously no-one told him about, a)Dynamics and b) He can't sing as high as he thinks he can.

Never enjoyed Vai's playing or tone that much. Some great moments from the 80's but he would get tiresome. Does he have skill and technique, hell yes, but please display it out of eye and earshot for me.
 
I like some of what Vai brought to mainstream playing but yeah, someone tale the damn trem bar away from him. He could be so much better, o doubt the guy has chops and skills for days but his implementation leave me a bit cold.
 
crankyrayhanky":38p5pa6k said:
Let's not stop with Vai, I got notes out on all these b*tches:

  • EVH: ease up on the gain
    Kirk Hammett: ditch the wah and stop surfing
    Jimmy Page: clean up that slop
    Satriani: lay off the whammy bar
    Di Meola: get a whammy bar
    Buckethead: lose that bucket
You forgot....
Lynch - use more gain.
:lol: :LOL:
 
My take away from this thread is that perhaps I should have zeroed in on vai's implementation vs technique. I do feel however that he has a harder time copping other styles beyond his own and goes into smoke and mirrors when he runs out of everything else. My personal feelings are that he hides a lot behind effects.

Anyway, the bonnet typing everything in CAPS comment was hilarious and so true. What is amazing is that he is still givin er 100 percent now in the exact same style. The only difference now is that he is even more off key.
 
Rezamatix":11uksv2k said:
Im sorry, but the premise of this thread is very awkward to address. I will have to just SMH.

Smoke More Hash?
 
Even on a bad day, Steve Vai is an amazing player. Hard to criticize someone with such success. May not be everyones cup of tea but there is no questioning his abilities.

I finally had the chance to see him live a couple of years back and loved every minute of his playing and technique.

:rock:
 
I remember reading an interview with Vai where he said he had a day to learn the songs for the Alcatraz gig.
 
Kapo_Polenton":3ewj9gy7 said:
My take away from this thread is that perhaps I should have zeroed in on vai's implementation vs technique. I do feel however that he has a harder time copping other styles beyond his own and goes into smoke and mirrors when he runs out of everything else. My personal feelings are that he hides a lot behind effects.

Anyway, the bonnet typing everything in CAPS comment was hilarious and so true. What is amazing is that he is still givin er 100 percent now in the exact same style. The only difference now is that he is even more off key.

I opened for Alcatrazz a few years back with Deltanaut. Bonnet was having such a bad night even he was apologizing on the mic to the audience. It was a truly wtf moment. Like... Yikes.

Edit: it may have actually been Impelliteri w Bonnet singing on 2nd thought

Re-edit: nope was Alcatrazz as was Howie Simon playing guitar, Impelliterri was a diff time and also hilarious bc he had a little line 6 combo mic'd up behind stacks of Engls ;)
 
messenger":3owpmxny said:
I remember reading an interview with Vai where he said he had a day to learn the songs for the Alcatraz gig.
If that was the case then all I can hang on to is that he is smoke and mirrors. Actually , that would be a great title for his next solo album!
 
Hard to be smoke and mirrors when you have the musical knowledge he does. He transcribed an entire songbook of Zappa tunes in standard notation, for example. There are not many rock guitarists of his stature that could do something like that.
 
Soulstealer":3d7604i3 said:
Hard to be smoke and mirrors when you have the musical knowledge he does. He transcribed an entire songbook of Zappa tunes in standard notation, for example. There are not many rock guitarists of his stature that could do something like that.

Fair point. I have no comeback for that one.
 
Most music majors could and Vai did go to Berklee though left before graduating.
 
Like him or not, Steve Vai stepped in after EVH and Yngwie for a reason, and it's not because he's sloppy or a hack. Yeah, the dude's eccentric and takes a playing and writing direction that is certainly not for everybody, but to dismiss his skills in light of his accomplishments is in my opinion and oversight of the obvious at best. Take taste/personal preference out of the equation and the dude is certainly exceptional.
 
Bob Savage":1qp8zoj7 said:
Like him or not, Steve Vai stepped in after EVH and Yngwie for a reason, and it's not because he's sloppy or a hack. Yeah, the dude's eccentric and takes a playing and writing direction that is certainly not for everybody, but to dismiss his skills in light of his accomplishments is in my opinion and oversight of the obvious at best. Take taste/personal preference out of the equation and the dude is certainly exceptional.

Agreed 100%
 
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