OPINION: VSTs Sound Like Absolute Dog Shit

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VESmedic said:
welp.....here we go...


things to consider: One is a reamped track, the other is a plugin on a DI: This is inherently going to cause differences in tone just from the start. the reamp tracked is traveling through my converters, out my DI box, out to my amp, back into my converters, through my di/reamp box again, and to my monitors. The plugin does none of that, except on rendering hitting the converters. I have what I consider the best DI/reamp box on the planet, the little labs red eye, but still, it is something to consider. The same cab IR was used for both, lasse lammert tonality suite: 57/201 mix on a recto cab. volume match is pretty close, but sonically you may think they are different volumes just because the amp track and the DI track have inherently different frequency responses and dynamics. The rendered files look totally different, that should tell you something is going on different between the two right from the start.


These are not WAV files, they are MP3s. Soundcloud of course converts these to MP3's anyways, but rendering a wav to soundcloud should theoretically sound better than an mp3 to an mp3, but hey, they sound good regardless. enjoy!





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I will say I think VSTs are more agreeable with the heavier, drop tuned, chug metal type stuff. However, I play more of a standard tuned glam metal type of music, and VSTs just don't really seem to favor this style very much. It's hard to get them to tighten up and produce a rich tone. That's just my experience.
 
scottosan said:
Rs inject their own tome more so than the real cabinets the emulate. I simply feel that if you’re going to emulate the speaker and mic, then go all modeling at that point.
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I find this to be completely false.
 
BigGuitars said:
Top one is the real amp, bottom one is sim?
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I’ll reveal in a bit, I want to hear more opinions first. I also want to here what people have to say in regards to which is which and why the feel that way. One being tighter or looser than the other and preferring one over the other for that reason is fine, but THINKING one is the amp sim or amp because one has more bass or treble, or is tighter or looser etc, isn’t a good enough reason: I can make both the amp sim and amp as bright or bass heavy as I want with the eq. I’m curious on the specifics, intangible stuff etc.
 
VESmedic said:
I’ll reveal in a bit, I want to hear more opinions first. I also want to here what people have to say in regards to which is which and why the feel that way. One being tighter or looser than the other is fine, but THINKING one is the amp sim or amp because one has more bass or treble etc isn’t a good enough reason: I can make both the amp sim and amp as bright or bass heavy as I want with the eq. I’m curious on the specifics, intangible stuff etc.
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Set up my amp sim then...Please
 
the viking begs to differ

also this album is all laptop
 
K-Roll said:
Question to the OP - are you sure you're feeding instrument level signal to your soundcard before it hits the sim and are you sure it's set up properly? I've seen so many ppl mess up so badly. Just today a colleague from work said he can't make his positive grid bias sound right. Guess what. He was plugging his guitar into a line level input. Plus he forgot to switch to the asio driver and set buffer size properly. It took us 5 min to fix all and he was super happy with the results. Also food for thought - you'd be surprised how bad isolated guitars sound on your favourite recording. :)
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I was going to make that point about isolated tracks sounding shitty on recordings
 
romanianreaper said:
I was going to make that point about isolated tracks sounding shitty on recordings
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This is literally not a thing. One of the greatest internet myths ever, especially regarding modern metal tracks. Pure garbage. Many many many guitars sound fabulous by themselves AND in a mix. This is just simply untrue, and I have no idea where it came from.
 
rottingcorpse said:
Don't care which is which. I'd thrash either one of those tones. But I'm a plug in and go kinda player,not a tweak till my ears are fatigued dude. I got riffs to blast,not time to waste.
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Same here but I gotta take the time to figure out dialing cause my shit sounds like shit
 
BigGuitars said:
Uh... How do I check this stuff? I don't think I'm running it wrong. I've got guitar running into R input on Focusrite solo. Track selecting that input. Not sure about asio or buffer size.
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Did you select instrument level on that input?
 
VESmedic said:
This is literally not a thing. One of the greatest internet myths ever, especially regarding modern metal tracks. Pure garbage. Many many many guitars sound fabulous by themselves AND in a mix. This is just simply untrue, and I have no idea where it came from.
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I find this is true with Marshalls more than other amps. They cut so great b/c they leave room for the rest of the band. But alone they sound a bit anemic, esp when you compare them with something like a Friedman which has so much more low end.

 
tallcoolone said:
I find this is true with Marshalls more than other amps. They cut so great b/c they leave room for the rest of the band. But alone they sound a bit anemic, esp when you compare them with something like a Friedman which has so much more low end.

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It sounds anemic because it’s a mono guitar track right up the middle. I always say you really don’t know how something is going to sound until you Double track it and hard Pan it left and right, to see the true stereo image of your tone. This is also why I said mostly MODERN metal recordings in the last 30 years or so, the majority of them sound great, and I still have no idea where this myth comes from.
 
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