OT and Old: But XBOX360 vs. PS3 Which to buy?

[Code001]

I'd like to see some proof that the PS3 is harder to program for than the 360. What you're forgetting is that the PS3 came out in Nov. 17, 2006 in America, where as the 360 came out in May 12th, 2005. That's over a year and a half that they've had to work with the programming code and learn how to optimize games for it.

I don't know how you're going to prove it to any of us. I have a basic knowledge of how some programming works, but I have literally zero understanding of video games.

I'm pretty sure that comes from what developers say, and it seems to show. It appears that most games that come out for both run quicker on the 360, and will have things like more full 3D backgrounds, whereas the PS3 version may use 2D.

If I remember correctly, the Playstations have been regarded as the most difficult to develop for for every generation of consoles. Sony just doesn't appear to be too concerned with making it any easier on anyone, for whatever reason.

And while the PS3 did come out later, I believe it was delayed because of manufacturing issues, so it's not like the 360 was necessarily just in developers' hands an entire year earlier.

The first PS3 games to come out were pretty comparable to the average 360 game of the time, whereas most of the original 360 games looked like they could have been on pretty much any console from the previous generation. From the looks of it, being later didn't seem to hurt them much, as the PS3 technically started off stronger.

The question is why games consistently run better on the 360 at the present time.

Man, I don't even know where to start. I'll respond paragraph for paragraph.

Programming video games and programming computer games are essentially the same if you break them down into main categories. You need a programming language with powerful dev tools, testing, etc. etc.

Games that come out quicker are, again, due to the fact that they've been acquainted with the 360 more-so than they have with the PS3. I don't see where you're going with this paragraph.

Now that's just bullshit right there because Sony has admitted they're been paying special attention to video game developers lately in order to create an easier-to-program dev. tools.

I don't see what you mean by this. True, developers had the console in their hands earlier than the release date, but the same was for the 360 so that point = moot.

Hard to respond to your last paragraph because at some points, certain games looked like PS2 games, but at other points, they were way ahead of 360 launch for launch. However, that has nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

 

[Code001]

I'd like to see some proof that the PS3 is harder to program for than the 360. What you're forgetting is that the PS3 came out in Nov. 17, 2006 in America, where as the 360 came out in May 12th, 2005. That's over a year and a half that they've had to work with the programming code and learn how to optimize games for it.

OAS had it right in that you should look at what games you want and buy the system accordingly.

I think its maybe its apples and oranges, certain developers go one way and some go the other. The Carmack says:

"But the honest truth is that Microsoft dev tools are so much better than Sony's. We expect to keep in mind the issues of bringing this up on the PlayStation 3... they're not helpful to the developers... I suspect they're not going to overwhelmingly crush the marketplace this time, which wasn't clear a year ago. A lot of people were thinking it's going to be a rerun of the last generation, and it's now looking like it might not be. I've been pulling for Microsoft, because I think they've done a better job for development support, and I think they have made somewhat smarter decisions on the platform. It's not like the PlayStation 3 is a piece of junk or anything. I was not a fan of the PlayStation 2 and the way its architecture was set up. With the PlayStation 3, it's not even that it's ugly--they just took a design decision that wasn't the best from a development standpoint."

http://kotaku.com/gaming/carmack/carmac ... 227899.php

Whatever, I had a PS One when it first came out, now I have a 360. I like the angle that MS took with this one as opposed to Sony, so I'm biased. I'd agree, buy it based on what games you like, but in addition the online front end and community...that makes the arguments about hardware dick-waving moot

Look at the date. Sony has since revised their dev. tools to make them easier to program. I believe they did it twice since that article was made.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

Now that's just bullshit right there because Sony has admitted they're been paying special attention to video game developers lately in order to create an easier-to-program dev. tools.

You should probably inform the people who actually make video games for a living that were quoted in here of their error, then.

Sony can say whatever the hell they want. They also like to say things such as that the PS3 is a "super computer," and that it is significantly more powerful than the 360.

Reality doesn't suggest anything of the sort.

 

[thiswaythatway]

Hey Chub, go with the 360 because it's cheaper. That to me is the tie breaker. Both systems will look great and both have good games.

BUT. Make sure you get the package that comes with the Hard Drive and cables for your HDTV. They sell a core version which is bare bones and doesn't come with much. I imagine that when Halo 3 comes out they will sell some package deal with it.

 

[Qweklain]

It depends what kind of games you are really into. If you are going for more straight up action, FPS type of games, go with the X360, but if you are going for more RPGs, strategy type games, go for the PS3.

 

[soc_monki]

360...why? extended warranty (yes, the 360 has flaws, and MS extended the warranty so if it fails, you get a new one! yay!) more games, and games that were once exclusive (DMC!) are now coming to 360. HD-DVD player as an option (not everyone wants or NEEDS blu-ray, and we dont even know which format is going to own the market yet!!! i keep thinking Beta-Max and VHS...). XBox Live (i love it!), great games, expandability.

plus, i dont believe the PS3 is more powerful...if it is, its by a small margin. the PS3 has the Cell processor...360 has a more powerful graphics card, plus the CPU is dual core and has Hyper-Threading. i dont think the Cell is that much more of an improvement, if any at all. i would say the 360 would be more like a normal computer, and thus easier for game devs. to program for. ive only seen one interview where a developer has said that the PS3 wasnt too hard to program for, and with all the companies taking their exclusives and doing them for 360 as well, who knows? i dont. all i know is my 360 rocks and ill get a PS3 in the future when its feasible (there are more games and the price is more reasonable).

biggest thing for me though is Forza Motorsport 2...Gran Turismo can suck mah balls! Forza eats GT for lunch!

oh...and the 360 controllers are better IMO!

 

[CoachZ]

Now that's just bullshit right there because Sony has admitted they're been paying special attention to video game developers lately in order to create an easier-to-program dev. tools.

You should probably inform the people who actually make video games for a living that were quoted in here of their error, then.

Sony can say whatever the hell they want. They also like to say things such as that the PS3 is a "super computer," and that it is significantly more powerful than the 360.

Reality doesn't suggest anything of the sort.

That's exactly the issue. The reason why the PS3 is hard to program on is because it's hard to do parallel programming. Games on consoles are heavily optimized and the PS3 is the first system to use a processor like that. So the optimization is a difficult factor. Also, the R500 used on the X360 is actually a modified version of some ATI Radeon cards with added DX10-like features so it's easier to code for it as well. The X360 is now having issues though with capacity since Blu-Ray holds a significantly higher amount than a normal DVD9 and the HDDVD drive is an addon.

 

[DannyM]

360 > PS3

 

[jonny toetags]

I'd say 360 now, PS3 later.
If you are a big gamer, you'll need all the systems eventually.

I'll be picking up my PS3 once RE5 comes out.

And if you get a 360, get Gears of War.
We've been playing that game almost every night since it January

 

[DannyM]

I read an article featuring some head of Sony America, talking about how MS hasn't made cent one on Xbox 360 hardware.

Uh, and Sony has? LOL

Pot, meet kettle!

LOL!!!!

The head of Sony America is a dumb @$$
Its common knowledge and all over the news sites that Sony is losing $$$ on every PS3 sold.

 

[generalgrievous]

I'd like to see some proof that the PS3 is harder to program for than the 360. What you're forgetting is that the PS3 came out in Nov. 17, 2006 in America, where as the 360 came out in May 12th, 2005. That's over a year and a half that they've had to work with the programming code and learn how to optimize games for it.

OAS had it right in that you should look at what games you want and buy the system accordingly.

+1 to this.

I own both and I personally prefer my PS3. Free online, better console layout, no rings of death error, lighter controller, no extra batteries, PSP link-up and the exclusives:Motorstorm, Resistance, Killzone 2, Heavenly sword, Gran Turismo, WipeOut HD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune etc. Plus, the GTA guys said they were having trouble with the X-BOX. I think the problem with PS3 at the moment is most of the games are ports. Wait for games developed for the PS3 before bashing it. I do love my X-box though, I just hope it doesn't break.

 

[CoachZ]

I read an article featuring some head of Sony America, talking about how MS hasn't made cent one on Xbox 360 hardware.

Uh, and Sony has? LOL

Pot, meet kettle!

LOL!!!!

The head of Sony America is a dumb @$$
Its common knowledge and all over the news sites that Sony is losing $$$ on every PS3 sold.

Sony's losing money left and right. They get into a lawsuit every second week. The latest one is about the Cell architecture.

 

[simbasa]

I'd like to see some proof that the PS3 is harder to program for than the 360. What you're forgetting is that the PS3 came out in Nov. 17, 2006 in America, where as the 360 came out in May 12th, 2005. That's over a year and a half that they've had to work with the programming code and learn how to optimize games for it.

OAS had it right in that you should look at what games you want and buy the system accordingly.

+1 to this.

I own both and I personally prefer my PS3. Free online, better console layout, no rings of death error, lighter controller, no extra batteries, PSP link-up and the exclusives:Motorstorm, Resistance, Killzone 2, Heavenly sword, Gran Turismo, WipeOut HD, Uncharted: Drakes Fortune etc. Plus, the GTA guys said they were having trouble with the X-BOX. I think the problem with PS3 at the moment is most of the games are ports. Wait for games developed for the PS3 before bashing it. I do love my X-box though, I just hope it doesn't break.

Never had any problems with my 360 since I got it at launch. The thing with PS3 is, it's architecture is off on its own thing while the 360 can easily port PC games. Porting a PS3 game from these platforms is proving to be its downfall so far.

I think in a year they will have things ironed out. If not, the PS3 will be a bust. Really, though, Sony is banking on Blu-ray first and foremost. That's been their plan all along....to win the next format war. That's where the real $$$ is.

 

[Code001]

I read an article featuring some head of Sony America, talking about how MS hasn't made cent one on Xbox 360 hardware.

Uh, and Sony has? LOL

Pot, meet kettle!

LOL!!!!

The head of Sony America is a dumb @$$
Its common knowledge and all over the news sites that Sony is losing $$$ on every PS3 sold.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=2

 

[DannyM]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=2

Yep...that and dozens more articles state that Sony loses money on every PS3 sold.
Good thing they havent sold that many!

For that Sony guy to talk crap about any other company not making or losing money is hilarious.

 

[Code001]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=2

Yep...that and dozens more articles state that Sony loses money on every PS3 sold.
Good thing they havent sold that many!

For that Sony guy to talk crap about any other company not making or losing money is hilarious.

Did you miss the part that they plan on actually making money by the end of this fiscal year? Technology is now cheaper, and there is no need for the Emotion Engine anymore.

 

[DannyM]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 3&Itemid=2

Yep...that and dozens more articles state that Sony loses money on every PS3 sold.
Good thing they havent sold that many!

For that Sony guy to talk crap about any other company not making or losing money is hilarious.

Did you miss the part that they plan on actually making money by the end of this fiscal year? Technology is now cheaper, and there is no need for the Emotion Engine anymore.

I saw it.....but everyone PLANS on making money.
Things may change...but the facts havent.
They still lose money on EVERY PS3 sold right now.

Maybe the Sony EXEC should have traveled at the speed of light into the future and said what he said after they actually start making money on every PS3 sale. Then he wouldnt have looked like a dumb @$$ with a foot in his mouth.

 

[OneArmedScissor]

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6573&Itemid=2

"Sony currently incurs an estimated $200 loss on every PlayStation 3 sold, but an exec from the firm said Thursday that loss could be eliminated this fiscal year."

I'll believe what Sony says when hell freezes over. In the event that that actually happens, they will still have quite a deficit to make up for.

 

[DT1607]

PS3...In the long run ( if you want a HD player or blu-ray) 360 doesn't come with one. And various other stuff. I read a really good comparison article and the PS3 will rape 360 in 2008.

 

[DannyM]

I read a really good comparison article and the PS3 will rape 360 in 2008.

There is nothing new or major for the PS3 in 2008 to suggest that it will be any better than it already is.
Its well behind in sales to the WII and 360. In fact Sony is getting RAPED, GAPED and A2M by Microsoft and Nintendo as we speak

Seriously....nothing is going to happen in 2008 for PS3 to stop getting raped by the 360 and Wii.
Their only chance to even stand a chance at closing the GAPE....I mean gap, between the PS3 and Wii/360 is to lower their prices....but that would mean losing more money and still wouldnt guarantee that they would catch up to the 360 and Wii in sales. I've read all kinds of FUD from blu boys who post and print crap on the web about blu ray and PS3. If you read it on the internet...IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!