Ventura
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DING DING DING!!! We have a WINNERkasperjensen":2qfaz13m said:
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Shark Diver
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Most over hyped piece(s) of gear I can remember are BBE Sonic Maximizers. I just can't think of anything that at one point everyone was saying you needed, to one of the bigger jokes as a useable piece of gear.
Overrated by price is hard to quantify since $ and tone are so different for all of us.
Overrated by price is hard to quantify since $ and tone are so different for all of us.
steve_k
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Cryogenic Tubes.......
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Shiny_Surface
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I admit I gigged and used a Metalzone as my main distortion sound back in the day... 
BUT
I was running it through an old tube powered PA head/cabinet, and the warm neutral tube power really warmed up the ol' zone and I didn't think it was half bad running it that way imo.
I also have used the 'zone as a clean boost into a Rectifier after reading about some death metal bands using one in that fashion and it was instant death metal tone, the tone did seem to fit that style rather well if that's your thing.
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I was running it through an old tube powered PA head/cabinet, and the warm neutral tube power really warmed up the ol' zone and I didn't think it was half bad running it that way imo.
I also have used the 'zone as a clean boost into a Rectifier after reading about some death metal bands using one in that fashion and it was instant death metal tone, the tone did seem to fit that style rather well if that's your thing.
Vrad
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"Overrated" is a personal thing. To me, it's when people attribute an almost mythical status to a particular piece of gear. It could be for a multitude of reasons... price, who plays it, rarity. It seems like it mostly boils down to exclusivity. The more prohibitive the piece of gear is, the more hype it gets. Then you play it and realize... welp... it's just another amp/guitar/pedal... LOL! 
sombersoul
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Vrad":lqdx0z4x said:"Overrated" is a personal thing. To me, it's when people attribute an almost mythical status to a particular piece of gear. It could be for a multitude of reasons... price, who plays it, rarity. It seems like it mostly boils down to exclusivity. The more prohibitive the piece of gear is, the more hype it gets. Then you play it and realize... welp... it's just another amp/guitar/pedal... LOL!
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It's all about (false) expectations and disappointed hopes.
In fact, if you like your Marshall MG15, and that's the sound you want for you band, why not? Having said that, I belong to the bigger category of players who make themselves unhappy over finding the be all end all solution...haha, what a myth!
Naturally, higher quality components add to the satisfaction you experience when you buy expensive gear. Does it sound better? Yes, in many cases it does. But my bandmate's €500 Peavey Valveking actually sounds good too and would surely "suffice", if you were only intent on the playing part itself and wouldn't worry so much about "your perfect tone". But hey, it's a hobby! So money can be spent without a bad conscience! I'm sure I won't buy the last piece of (expensive and hyped) gear that turns out to be good but in no way as stellar as described, esp. when considering the price tag. What's more annoying, in my opinion, is when costly gear has flaws or other things that bother you that cheaper gear does right.
Atropos_Project
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ericsabbath":2x3ijdn1 said:
I'd love to hear exactly how this mic can be thought of as overrated.
killertone
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steve_k":1u0o6e4p said:
No shit, man. I didn't even think about that but glad you mentioned it. Snake oil bullshit right there IMO.
The tones we all love weren't recorded with Cryogenic anything!
Greazygeo
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yeah but they'd be better.killertone":30j9g33z said:steve_k":30j9g33z said:
No shit, man. I didn't even think about that but glad you mentioned it. Snake oil bullshit right there IMO.
The tones we all love weren't recorded with Cryogenic anything!
moltenmetalburn
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fair enough but i find this pedal overrated because it was considered as the go to pedal for heavy metal for a long time amongst amateurs and sounds like complete ass. not simply because it was popular, because it was popular and sucked.
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'63-Strat
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Gainfreak":19rn5zat said:Some of you guys need to get the Pricepoint out of your heads.
You can't call something overated just because it has a high pricetag and at the end of the day, this is all highly subjective.
If someone is willing to pay $4000 on an amp then so be it and you cannot blame the MFG for the asking price if people are willing to shell out the ca$h.
Some things to take into consideration...Mesa Boogie charges a boatload for there amps over seas. They have been doing it for years. Some of it has to do with shipping prices , import duties, build materials, cost of running a business, etc etc....so I ask you, Why shouldn't Peter Diezel Charge the same for his amps? (Just using Peter for a referance here since he has been mentioned!)
The last thing that I can say is that some of you guys take this shit way to personally. Who the hell cares if someone doesn't dig the same amp that you do? Seriously?
One mans overated amp is another mans Dream Rig. It's been that way for ages and will continue to be that way forever
Don't get me wrong, I used to do the same freaking thing, Lord knows you guys know this to be true, but Now I know that in the grand scheme of things, Who gives a crap!
All the best~
~R~
Agreed 100%
The bottom line is it really doesn't matter what others think about a piece of gear if something totally does it for you and inspires you IMO. Stick with that and enjoy playing the hell out of it! There are very few people's opinions I actually would even care about at all period in the real world, let alone here. That's because I know that it doesn't really matter what works for someone else vs me unless we both have the same tastes and similar touch/playing experience/setups it's nearly COMPLETELY irrelevant. If I've never heard a good clip that *I* really like from you, I flat out DO NOT CARE about your opinion on gear. Why should I? Just because someone I don't know says so? Absolutely not
I know that probably sounds harsh, but that's the truth. And I'm sure the EXACT same holds for others as far as my opinion goes. If you don't like my playing/tone/clips I've posted and think I suck why the hell would you care about my opinion on gear? Just because I say you should? LOL! Come on. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading forums, I do, but it's mostly for fun.So someone who's either never posted a clip, or who has but I think they suck and/or don't like their tone says they don't like a piece of gear that I do like? Oh no!!! lol completely irrelevant. After a certain price point gear is just different not necessarily better IMO. But when someone says tried and true gear like fender/gibson/marshall etc. sucks I definitely all but dismiss your opinion because if you're a good player you can definitely get good tones out of that sort of gear just as TONS of incredible musicians on countless records have already. That doesn't mean you shouldn't like something else better, but I don't know any pro guys I look up to that couldn't plug into something like an LP and a JMP and make some serious music on the spot. YMMV.
jessebondrocks
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mk iv. never got a usable tone out of one ever. i've heard clips i like but the actual amp sounds nothing like those clips when in my hands.
HerbieBoogie
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Ventura":2lmowkfh said:DING DING DING!!! We have a WINNERkasperjensen":2lmowkfh said:
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I never thought of that... so true!
Devilinside
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Im just glad there are varying opinions on what sounds good to each person. That, at least offers some variety!
se7en
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AmpliFIRE":1hdj1lm3 said:
I feel the same way...wanted to dig 'em and Peter is a stand-up dude, but just couldn't get into them.
JakeAC5253
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Clean Boosts. I mean the ones that don't shape, EQ, or compress. If you don't have a vintage VOX or Fender Twin, then I really don't see what you gain by using one. Sheer volume boost for a solo, sure I can see that. But as a backbone rhythm tone? You've got to be deaf.
Ventura
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Honestly, I was chasing tone when I landed on the Diezel doorstep... Because of Peter & Staff, the amazing Diezel community, and their undeniably incredible quality amps, I am a fanboi. But here's something funny, I've posted this before but it needs to be reiterated. The Diezel tone is VERY prevalent in the VH4(S) and the Herbert and even the Einstein, and it's either a tone you gel with or you don't. I love it, but it's also someone else's trademark tone, if that makes any sense... It's very distinguished and easy to pick out. Since getting the Mak4, I found I can cover some serious territory on it and make it sound like I want it to - with varying degrees of inherent tone and so forth... I like it, because it's wide open - the canvas is mine to play with. I just invested $250 in preamp glass to augment it a bit because I really like where it's taking me...se7en":l1a549jb said:
What I'm getting at is here's a preamp that was sub $1K when I ordered it. I have the marquee Diezel head that retails for about $5000 here in Canada (VH4S). I'm gravitating more towards the Mak4 and its faceless identity (no harm, Andrew, it's just a matter of speaking) because I can make it "me", rather than playing and hearing someone else's tone consistently stirring in the background/foreground.
Hope that makes sense
V./Mo