Paypal gift

[SpiderWars]

Just saw this on another site that shall remain nameless (lol

As of July 1, 2017 we will no longer allow any ads that request payment via PayPal Gift in the Nameless Emporiums. After July 1, 2017, we will delete any ads asking for PayPal Gift payment and we will issue the member a warning. If there is a second instance of asking for Gift by that member, the account will be suspended.

We are taking this action because using PayPal Gift removes the normal protection for buyers. Please also be aware that we will suspend the user account of any seller who is shown to have asked for PayPal Gift once contacted by a buyer.

We recently had a discussion on R/T about this. I still think that for the buyer it's usually good but not so much for the seller. But when I'm the seller I want the buyer to feel somewhat comfortable and totally understand them not wanting to gift. When I flip gear I understand that in a zero-sum game (which it isn't but whatever) that I'm gonna eat some shipping and fees. Cost of doing business imo. Thoughts?

 

[motorboy1]

Yup I would never send gift payment, no protection for me. The seller should understand that.

 

[mixn4him]

Agreed, and when I sell I figure the 3% into my pricing....

 

[GOHOINC]

Its not gift, its friends and family. I don't know anyone I buy from online personally, so they don't fit that category to me. I factor the costs of selling into my prices and I expect the folks I buy from to do the same. There is nothing worse than seeing a price posted and then seeing someone wants fees and shipping on top of the price. Makes it feel like a slimy car salesman piling up surcharges. Price accordingly for your expenses and the money you want to clear, it's not rocket surgery...

 

[FourT6and2]

Yup, from now on you'll see all my FS threads with the price + shipping + packing + any additional fees for import/export, VAT, tax, customs, Paypa, and so on tacked on.

But you know what will happen then? Buyers will low-ball the price of the gear itself down even lower to compensate for all the additional fees. If they gotta pay $300 more for all that stuff, they're gonna expect me to lower the price of the thing by that amount. This shit ain't free, people.

 

[messenger]

I just hate the delay of standard PayPal. They seem to hold my money for a month (if not more). Also the crazy length of buyer protection kind of worries me. Isn't it like a 6 months or something stupid like that now?

 

[Jayy]

Everyone wants every damn thing free. When I had my SLO for sale on here I had it priced very reasonably and included the PayPal fee and shipping into the price. A freaking mint 2012 SLO to your door for 2900.00 is a decent price in my book. I even said I was firm on the price and no trades. I got nothing but low ball offers and trade offers, so I dropped the for sale add after a couple of weeks. Forget it, I'll keep my SLO. I didn't want or need to sell it that bad anyway.

 

[neilli]

I've read enough horror stories of both seller and buyer getting screwed that I don't think this solves anything, and just makes paypal less desirable as a seller. Sellers can insist on bank transfers etc, and that would still leave the buyer high and dry after all.

I pretty much only accept gift when I sell because I know I'm not gonna get shafted by someone, and I can provide any potential buyer with a ton of references so they'll feel comfortable. And frankly, if they don't want to buy from me because I only accept gift payments then that's fine - I don't need the money more than I need peace of mind..

 

[squank]

^^^ EXACTLY.

Reg Paypal = Buyer has the advantage, but both suffer due to stupid high fees
PP Gift = Seller has the advantage, but both benefit from lack of stupid high fees

It's not simply an either or. Those fees are ridiculous on higher priced items. Paypal, Inc has almost no risk because of the agreements you enter into to do business with them. That's a big part of why people try to avoid them. I don't mind paying reasonable fees, but PP gouges us.

Also, on forums, if you've been around and done a bunch of deals and have references, you shouldn't need to take the risk from a forum newbie who could screw you over using Paypal. The horror stories are real.

 

[SpiderWars]

I've always felt that if I don't like Paypal's fees or policies that I can choose to not use them. But to use it and then not pay the price (and they can ask whatever they want, you're free to decline) is akin to stealing isn't it? Are they not entitled to get paid for their service?

 

[mrcak]

Not selling stuff anymore. Keeping shit from now on. As to The Gear Page......I hope they get hacked. Bunch of ghey mf'ers run that rule-laden shithole, starting with the Quiff, Scott Peterson

 

[RedB4Black]

Yup, from now on you'll see all my FS threads with the price + shipping + packing + any additional fees for import/export, VAT, tax, customs, Paypa, and so on tacked on.

I hate that. Nobody wants to figure out what something will cost them, they just need an all in price to make the decision to buy or move on. Just add it all up in your head and post an all-in price that covers those costs so that your cash-in-pocket when all is said and done is what you want to receive....at least for domestic CONUS sales. For international, it's a little hard to know an all in cost to ship something, so I can see, if you are willing to ship internationally, leaving some of the price variable.

 

[FourT6and2]

I've always felt that if I don't like Paypal's fees or policies that I can choose to not use them. But to use it and then not pay the price (and they can ask whatever they want, you're free to decline) is akin to stealing isn't it? Are they not entitled to get paid for their service?

No. It's not stealing.

 

[FourT6and2]

Yup, from now on you'll see all my FS threads with the price + shipping + packing + any additional fees for import/export, VAT, tax, customs, Paypa, and so on tacked on.

I hate that. Nobody wants to figure out what something will cost them, they just need an all in price to make the decision to buy or move on. Just add it all up in your head and post an all-in price that covers those costs so that your cash-in-pocket when all is said and done is what you want to receive....at least for domestic CONUS sales. For international, it's a little hard to know an all in cost to ship something, so I can see, if you are willing to ship internationally, leaving some of the price variable.

If I list an item that has a market value of $2000 at $2250, you better believe I'll get messages complaining that the price is too high. But I can certainly line-item everything. For example:

FS: Super Mega Awesome Amp 100
Price: $2000
Packing and shipping via UPS: $135
Paypal Fee: 3%
Total: $2200

 

[RedB4Black]

Yup, from now on you'll see all my FS threads with the price + shipping + packing + any additional fees for import/export, VAT, tax, customs, Paypa, and so on tacked on.

I hate that. Nobody wants to figure out what something will cost them, they just need an all in price to make the decision to buy or move on. Just add it all up in your head and post an all-in price that covers those costs so that your cash-in-pocket when all is said and done is what you want to receive....at least for domestic CONUS sales. For international, it's a little hard to know an all in cost to ship something, so I can see, if you are willing to ship internationally, leaving some of the price variable.

If I list an item that has a market value of $2000 at $2250, you better believe I'll get messages complaining that the price is too high. But I can certainly line-item everything. For example:

FS: Super Mega Awesome Amp 100
Price: $2000
Packing and shipping via UPS: $135
Paypal Fee: 3%
Total: $2200

I don't have a problem with that approach. I just want an all-in price. However the seller wants to allocate it is they're business. If an amp is only worth $2000, I consider that an all in price. PP/packing/and shipping are part of the cost of being able to sell something online. You open up a bigger marketplace to sell your stuff.

Personally, I'm not going to sweat one or two hundred in selling costs for a high-end amp. Once I decide to sell, I sell it. My stuff doesn't sit in the classifieds very long. I price things aggressively. On the flip side, if someone is irrational with pricing, I don't even bother, even if its something I'm looking for. Stuff that's priced fairly (for both parties) I usually just say send me Paypal info. Assuming the price is fair, I'm not going to try to squeeze every last ounce of blood of the guy like some guys try to do.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

For me a one price fits all only works marginally within the lower 48 US states. Everything outside of that requires getting a full address/phone # to get an accurate shipping quote. And if it's a big item, the oversize charges are stupid huge, and make no sense.

The last time I shipped a 4x12 cab in California it was around $130 plus packing ($45 or so). But the same cabinet goes to New York or the East Coast for $20 more, traveling an extra 2500 miles.

Recently a client bought a pair of metal handles to go 22 miles away to Burbank/Pasadena area. Fedex Ground cost $14 plus packing. But two pairs of metal handles can ship 120 miles away to El Cajon, CA for $17, weighing twice as much. Shipping is goofy.

And yes, paypal takes their 3% plus their 30 cent transaction fee on every domestic sale, and international is now up to 4.5% fees. Since they take that off the total you receive, you have to do all the math/quotes first, then multiply time 1.045.

Shipping and banking are rackets. Ok, I'm done ranting now.

But paypal gift is only for clients/friends that are known, you can't do it as a general rule, and I pay the 3% if I'm buying from someone I don't know. I like the protection as I've been burned in the past.

 

[Candiria]

I started asking for gift once the return policy went to 6 months. I don't want to pay the fees or price the fees into the buyers cost when the company I'd be doing that for has an awful track record of "settling" disputes. The appeal of TGP was always the larger user base and ability to not have to pay fees or worry about someone trying to screw you 4 months later. There is no use in using the TGP to sell anything now since it has all of the risks of selling on eBay with none of the benefits.

 

[SpiderWars]

I've always felt that if I don't like Paypal's fees or policies that I can choose to not use them. But to use it and then not pay the price (and they can ask whatever they want, you're free to decline) is akin to stealing isn't it? Are they not entitled to get paid for their service?

No. It's not stealing.

I've done it...recently. But in rethinking it, I think at best it's unethical (and for the record, 'akin to' does not equal 'is'). So I'm not going to do it anymore. Won't be the first time I've done something wrong, later realized it, then vowed to not do that anymore.

 

[Candiria]

I've always felt that if I don't like Paypal's fees or policies that I can choose to not use them. But to use it and then not pay the price (and they can ask whatever they want, you're free to decline) is akin to stealing isn't it? Are they not entitled to get paid for their service?

No. It's not stealing.

I've done it...recently. But in rethinking it, I think at best it's unethical (and for the record, 'akin to' does not equal 'is'). So I'm not going to do it anymore. Won't be the first time I've done something wrong, later realized it, then vowed to not do that anymore.

If it feels wrong to you you shouldn't do it, but if it eases your conscious at all, PayPal facilitates theft everyday.

 

[SpiderWars]

I've always felt that if I don't like Paypal's fees or policies that I can choose to not use them. But to use it and then not pay the price (and they can ask whatever they want, you're free to decline) is akin to stealing isn't it? Are they not entitled to get paid for their service?

No. It's not stealing.

I've done it...recently. But in rethinking it, I think at best it's unethical (and for the record, 'akin to' does not equal 'is'). So I'm not going to do it anymore. Won't be the first time I've done something wrong, later realized it, then vowed to not do that anymore.

If it feels wrong to you you shouldn't do it, but if it eases your conscious at all, PayPal facilitates theft everyday.

That is prob true but that doesn't ease my conscience in the slightest. There will always be those that do things that are unethical or criminal. For me I have two choices; don't use Paypal or use it and pay the fees.